Many have said that Mods should be held to a higher standard. I agree with this, however I also understand that they are just players too. So at the very least they should be held to the same standards as we are.
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Originally posted by Nicola
Many have said that Mods should be held to a higher standard. I agree with this, however I also understand that they are just players too. So at the very least they should be held to the same standards as we are.
If Moderators weren't expected to act differently than normal players, what would be the point in having them?
Many have said that Mods should be held to a higher standard. I agree with this, however I also understand that they are just players too. So at the very least they should be held to the same standards as we are.
If Moderators weren't expected to act differently than normal players, what would be the point in having them?
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Originally posted by ThatboyB
Originally posted by Paul Kemp
Originally posted by texaninma
I'm stunned reading through this. There's a major problem if this situation can get to this point. I know Bort keeps looking for the message, but I have to wonder how we could ever get here?
Satch has spent 100s to 1000s of hours on this game. Unlike many, he's not just helping himself (and I know there are the ask TH threads, but how many people has that touched). He's done scouting, setup the spreadsheets, etc.
As someone who consults to C-level executives, we'd ask how your top customer could even get to this point. If he's not the top, how many more do you have that have influenced the game like Satch.
To have something get to this point is unbelievable, and I also think those of us who care about Satch should make sure all of those Satch has touched know about it. If we can't do it on GLB forums, there are many others. I just worry if we sit around and just say goodbye, we're not much better than those who pushed him out (or led him to this point).
I couldn't put it any better myself. I will not stand idly by and watch Satchmo leave this game. If he decides that he has been wronged enough to walk away, then I will walk away with him.
I echo texaninma's question, how did it ever get to this point?
If paul is quitting then there is no doubt the Orange blood nation knows about this and this could cost GLB alot of profits. We have alot of teams that are OBs. And this move definately upset the nation. We could see alot of disbanded team coming upon us. Once again thanks Tim your the best.
Word. I've only spent between $300-$500 bucks here, but that's my hard earned money. I don't have to spend anymore. Oh, I'm an OB member as well.
Originally posted by Paul Kemp
Originally posted by texaninma
I'm stunned reading through this. There's a major problem if this situation can get to this point. I know Bort keeps looking for the message, but I have to wonder how we could ever get here?
Satch has spent 100s to 1000s of hours on this game. Unlike many, he's not just helping himself (and I know there are the ask TH threads, but how many people has that touched). He's done scouting, setup the spreadsheets, etc.
As someone who consults to C-level executives, we'd ask how your top customer could even get to this point. If he's not the top, how many more do you have that have influenced the game like Satch.
To have something get to this point is unbelievable, and I also think those of us who care about Satch should make sure all of those Satch has touched know about it. If we can't do it on GLB forums, there are many others. I just worry if we sit around and just say goodbye, we're not much better than those who pushed him out (or led him to this point).
I couldn't put it any better myself. I will not stand idly by and watch Satchmo leave this game. If he decides that he has been wronged enough to walk away, then I will walk away with him.
I echo texaninma's question, how did it ever get to this point?
If paul is quitting then there is no doubt the Orange blood nation knows about this and this could cost GLB alot of profits. We have alot of teams that are OBs. And this move definately upset the nation. We could see alot of disbanded team coming upon us. Once again thanks Tim your the best.
Word. I've only spent between $300-$500 bucks here, but that's my hard earned money. I don't have to spend anymore. Oh, I'm an OB member as well.
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Originally posted by tyrant91101
Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by tyrant91101
What proper channels? Support? They got a reply to the effect of "We know stop messaging us." The only proper channel is to post and post a lot.
Or they could show a little patience and say "Ok, thanks for looking into it. I'll stop messaging you every 10 seconds and posting threads every 20."
We saw absolutely 0 action. Not an announcement that you were dealing with it. Not a half assed apology from you or even any other damn mod on Tim's behalf.
When you get mistread at the hands of someone with power who was obviously abusing it, you don't say "Ok thanks" to the people who are, as far as it looks like, SUPPORTING that abuse and move on your merry way.
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The fact that there was no response is the entire problem. So now that there is no response, and everyone has been posting, PM'ing, for 2 days to get a response, are being told to stop or you will get banned....
The example of the in boxes being full is poor, very poor. The fact that everyone was looking for some answer or direction from the leadership of the company and received none is indicative of supporting the actions.
If a mid-level manager went ballistic and started firing everyone in a dept and everyone in that department (that wasn't fired yet) started complaining, as well as people from other dept's and the companies response was to fire the people that were complaining to much and continue to support the the manager, there would be an major issue....like GLB now has.
The way this would have been handled would have been for upper management to step in, pull manager into office or send home for the day, let everyone know that the issue is under investigation and proper action is being taken, until then please be patient.
A simple announcement as well as pulling the reigns in on TH would probably have save a lot of grief.
Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by tyrant91101
What proper channels? Support? They got a reply to the effect of "We know stop messaging us." The only proper channel is to post and post a lot.
Or they could show a little patience and say "Ok, thanks for looking into it. I'll stop messaging you every 10 seconds and posting threads every 20."
We saw absolutely 0 action. Not an announcement that you were dealing with it. Not a half assed apology from you or even any other damn mod on Tim's behalf.
When you get mistread at the hands of someone with power who was obviously abusing it, you don't say "Ok thanks" to the people who are, as far as it looks like, SUPPORTING that abuse and move on your merry way.
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The fact that there was no response is the entire problem. So now that there is no response, and everyone has been posting, PM'ing, for 2 days to get a response, are being told to stop or you will get banned....
The example of the in boxes being full is poor, very poor. The fact that everyone was looking for some answer or direction from the leadership of the company and received none is indicative of supporting the actions.
If a mid-level manager went ballistic and started firing everyone in a dept and everyone in that department (that wasn't fired yet) started complaining, as well as people from other dept's and the companies response was to fire the people that were complaining to much and continue to support the the manager, there would be an major issue....like GLB now has.
The way this would have been handled would have been for upper management to step in, pull manager into office or send home for the day, let everyone know that the issue is under investigation and proper action is being taken, until then please be patient.
A simple announcement as well as pulling the reigns in on TH would probably have save a lot of grief.
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Originally posted by Robbnva
Originally posted by tigerbait22
I can't see Bort saying anything here about What TH did to cause this.... No admission of guilt from management...
Bort hasn't said one time that TH did anything wrong or that a Moderator has a responsibility to put flames out, not fan them
I think bort wants to pull all of the threads and read them. I suspect Bort is calling out sick tomorrow because this whole thing has the potential to ruin GLB.
Bort I am sure has realized that some of the improvements to this game have come from people thinking of quitting and he wants to try and make it right.
I say make Satch a mod because he has never (until recently) ruffled anyone's feathers.
I second this, Satch is a really fair guy. I think he would always make decisions with the best interest of the game in mind!!! Never personal.
Originally posted by tigerbait22
I can't see Bort saying anything here about What TH did to cause this.... No admission of guilt from management...
Bort hasn't said one time that TH did anything wrong or that a Moderator has a responsibility to put flames out, not fan them
I think bort wants to pull all of the threads and read them. I suspect Bort is calling out sick tomorrow because this whole thing has the potential to ruin GLB.
Bort I am sure has realized that some of the improvements to this game have come from people thinking of quitting and he wants to try and make it right.
I say make Satch a mod because he has never (until recently) ruffled anyone's feathers.
I second this, Satch is a really fair guy. I think he would always make decisions with the best interest of the game in mind!!! Never personal.
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Originally posted by jamzan
Originally posted by ThatboyB
Originally posted by Paul Kemp
Originally posted by texaninma
I'm stunned reading through this. There's a major problem if this situation can get to this point. I know Bort keeps looking for the message, but I have to wonder how we could ever get here?
Satch has spent 100s to 1000s of hours on this game. Unlike many, he's not just helping himself (and I know there are the ask TH threads, but how many people has that touched). He's done scouting, setup the spreadsheets, etc.
As someone who consults to C-level executives, we'd ask how your top customer could even get to this point. If he's not the top, how many more do you have that have influenced the game like Satch.
To have something get to this point is unbelievable, and I also think those of us who care about Satch should make sure all of those Satch has touched know about it. If we can't do it on GLB forums, there are many others. I just worry if we sit around and just say goodbye, we're not much better than those who pushed him out (or led him to this point).
I couldn't put it any better myself. I will not stand idly by and watch Satchmo leave this game. If he decides that he has been wronged enough to walk away, then I will walk away with him.
I echo texaninma's question, how did it ever get to this point?
If paul is quitting then there is no doubt the Orange blood nation knows about this and this could cost GLB alot of profits. We have alot of teams that are OBs. And this move definately upset the nation. We could see alot of disbanded team coming upon us. Once again thanks Tim your the best.
Word. I've only spent between $300-$500 bucks here, but that's my hard earned money. I don't have to spend anymore. Oh, I'm an OB member as well.
OB here too and I have certainly spent well over $500...we come on together and could leave just as quickly
Originally posted by ThatboyB
Originally posted by Paul Kemp
Originally posted by texaninma
I'm stunned reading through this. There's a major problem if this situation can get to this point. I know Bort keeps looking for the message, but I have to wonder how we could ever get here?
Satch has spent 100s to 1000s of hours on this game. Unlike many, he's not just helping himself (and I know there are the ask TH threads, but how many people has that touched). He's done scouting, setup the spreadsheets, etc.
As someone who consults to C-level executives, we'd ask how your top customer could even get to this point. If he's not the top, how many more do you have that have influenced the game like Satch.
To have something get to this point is unbelievable, and I also think those of us who care about Satch should make sure all of those Satch has touched know about it. If we can't do it on GLB forums, there are many others. I just worry if we sit around and just say goodbye, we're not much better than those who pushed him out (or led him to this point).
I couldn't put it any better myself. I will not stand idly by and watch Satchmo leave this game. If he decides that he has been wronged enough to walk away, then I will walk away with him.
I echo texaninma's question, how did it ever get to this point?
If paul is quitting then there is no doubt the Orange blood nation knows about this and this could cost GLB alot of profits. We have alot of teams that are OBs. And this move definately upset the nation. We could see alot of disbanded team coming upon us. Once again thanks Tim your the best.
Word. I've only spent between $300-$500 bucks here, but that's my hard earned money. I don't have to spend anymore. Oh, I'm an OB member as well.
OB here too and I have certainly spent well over $500...we come on together and could leave just as quickly
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Originally posted by mzldr2
Originally posted by tyrant91101
Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by tyrant91101
What proper channels? Support? They got a reply to the effect of "We know stop messaging us." The only proper channel is to post and post a lot.
Or they could show a little patience and say "Ok, thanks for looking into it. I'll stop messaging you every 10 seconds and posting threads every 20."
We saw absolutely 0 action. Not an announcement that you were dealing with it. Not a half assed apology from you or even any other damn mod on Tim's behalf.
When you get mistread at the hands of someone with power who was obviously abusing it, you don't say "Ok thanks" to the people who are, as far as it looks like, SUPPORTING that abuse and move on your merry way.
+1
The fact that there was no response is the entire problem. So now there is no response, and everyone that for 2 days have been posting, PM'ing, etc to get a response, are being told to stop or you will get banned....
The example of the in boxes being full is poor, very poor. The fact that everyone was looking for some answer or direction from the leadership of the company and received none is indicative of supporting the actions.
If a mid-level manager went ballistic and started firing everyone in a dept and everyone in that department (that wasn't fired yet) started complaining, as well as people from other dept's and the companies response was to fire the people that were complaining to much and continue to support the the manager, there would be an major issue....like GLB now has.
The way this would have been handled would have been for upper management to step in, pull manager into office or send home for the day, let everyone know that the issue is under investigation and proper action is being taken, until then please be patient.
A simple announcement as well as pulling the reigns in on TH would probably have save a lot of grief.
I run a company, and would have been all over this right away if it was my customer base being affected... Would not take me 2 or 3 days to have an idea of what went wrong and how to fix it...
Originally posted by tyrant91101
Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by tyrant91101
What proper channels? Support? They got a reply to the effect of "We know stop messaging us." The only proper channel is to post and post a lot.
Or they could show a little patience and say "Ok, thanks for looking into it. I'll stop messaging you every 10 seconds and posting threads every 20."
We saw absolutely 0 action. Not an announcement that you were dealing with it. Not a half assed apology from you or even any other damn mod on Tim's behalf.
When you get mistread at the hands of someone with power who was obviously abusing it, you don't say "Ok thanks" to the people who are, as far as it looks like, SUPPORTING that abuse and move on your merry way.
+1
The fact that there was no response is the entire problem. So now there is no response, and everyone that for 2 days have been posting, PM'ing, etc to get a response, are being told to stop or you will get banned....
The example of the in boxes being full is poor, very poor. The fact that everyone was looking for some answer or direction from the leadership of the company and received none is indicative of supporting the actions.
If a mid-level manager went ballistic and started firing everyone in a dept and everyone in that department (that wasn't fired yet) started complaining, as well as people from other dept's and the companies response was to fire the people that were complaining to much and continue to support the the manager, there would be an major issue....like GLB now has.
The way this would have been handled would have been for upper management to step in, pull manager into office or send home for the day, let everyone know that the issue is under investigation and proper action is being taken, until then please be patient.
A simple announcement as well as pulling the reigns in on TH would probably have save a lot of grief.
I run a company, and would have been all over this right away if it was my customer base being affected... Would not take me 2 or 3 days to have an idea of what went wrong and how to fix it...
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Originally posted by jamzan
Originally posted by ThatboyB
Originally posted by Paul Kemp
Originally posted by texaninma
I'm stunned reading through this. There's a major problem if this situation can get to this point. I know Bort keeps looking for the message, but I have to wonder how we could ever get here?
Satch has spent 100s to 1000s of hours on this game. Unlike many, he's not just helping himself (and I know there are the ask TH threads, but how many people has that touched). He's done scouting, setup the spreadsheets, etc.
As someone who consults to C-level executives, we'd ask how your top customer could even get to this point. If he's not the top, how many more do you have that have influenced the game like Satch.
To have something get to this point is unbelievable, and I also think those of us who care about Satch should make sure all of those Satch has touched know about it. If we can't do it on GLB forums, there are many others. I just worry if we sit around and just say goodbye, we're not much better than those who pushed him out (or led him to this point).
I couldn't put it any better myself. I will not stand idly by and watch Satchmo leave this game. If he decides that he has been wronged enough to walk away, then I will walk away with him.
I echo texaninma's question, how did it ever get to this point?
If paul is quitting then there is no doubt the Orange blood nation knows about this and this could cost GLB alot of profits. We have alot of teams that are OBs. And this move definately upset the nation. We could see alot of disbanded team coming upon us. Once again thanks Tim your the best.
Word. I've only spent between $300-$500 bucks here, but that's my hard earned money. I don't have to spend anymore. Oh, I'm an OB member as well.
oy i'd follow these guys to hell itself. if PK walks i walk too.
Originally posted by ThatboyB
Originally posted by Paul Kemp
Originally posted by texaninma
I'm stunned reading through this. There's a major problem if this situation can get to this point. I know Bort keeps looking for the message, but I have to wonder how we could ever get here?
Satch has spent 100s to 1000s of hours on this game. Unlike many, he's not just helping himself (and I know there are the ask TH threads, but how many people has that touched). He's done scouting, setup the spreadsheets, etc.
As someone who consults to C-level executives, we'd ask how your top customer could even get to this point. If he's not the top, how many more do you have that have influenced the game like Satch.
To have something get to this point is unbelievable, and I also think those of us who care about Satch should make sure all of those Satch has touched know about it. If we can't do it on GLB forums, there are many others. I just worry if we sit around and just say goodbye, we're not much better than those who pushed him out (or led him to this point).
I couldn't put it any better myself. I will not stand idly by and watch Satchmo leave this game. If he decides that he has been wronged enough to walk away, then I will walk away with him.
I echo texaninma's question, how did it ever get to this point?
If paul is quitting then there is no doubt the Orange blood nation knows about this and this could cost GLB alot of profits. We have alot of teams that are OBs. And this move definately upset the nation. We could see alot of disbanded team coming upon us. Once again thanks Tim your the best.
Word. I've only spent between $300-$500 bucks here, but that's my hard earned money. I don't have to spend anymore. Oh, I'm an OB member as well.
oy i'd follow these guys to hell itself. if PK walks i walk too.
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Bort go ahead and take some time cool down and make a decision but I really think something needs to be done to Harper in this case or you will lose some very active customers.
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Originally posted by Voltron
Sorry to see you go Satchmo. You should stay anyways and still play, just don't boost.
THis will never happen. Everyone will always boost until the end of time no matter how poorly they are treated. Right?
Sorry to see you go Satchmo. You should stay anyways and still play, just don't boost.
THis will never happen. Everyone will always boost until the end of time no matter how poorly they are treated. Right?
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I keep seeing how folks have spent $100s on this game. Seeing as how this game has exploded I'm sure some hefty money has been made here. Going to be sad to lose all of that cash strictly to protect 1 individual.
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Originally posted by limecuda
I keep seeing how folks have spent $100s on this game. Seeing as how this game has exploded I'm sure some hefty money has been made here. Going to be sad to lose all of that cash strictly to protect 1 individual.
I'm not spending any money on this game either way. I love it to death but I've lost all respect for Bort from the way he has handled this. It shouldn't take two days and a threat to stop paying for FP to pay attention to the situation. It should have been the simple fact that Harper crossed the line in many ways both as a moderator and as a regular player.
I keep seeing how folks have spent $100s on this game. Seeing as how this game has exploded I'm sure some hefty money has been made here. Going to be sad to lose all of that cash strictly to protect 1 individual.
I'm not spending any money on this game either way. I love it to death but I've lost all respect for Bort from the way he has handled this. It shouldn't take two days and a threat to stop paying for FP to pay attention to the situation. It should have been the simple fact that Harper crossed the line in many ways both as a moderator and as a regular player.
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I don't think he would accept, but offering Satchmo a moderating position would be a good way to extend the olive branch.
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Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by GSUFan513
Bort, TexasBorn wants you to PM you, says he was never warned just automatically banned.
That's BS...threads were locked with a "stop it" more than once. He knew what he was doing. He can wait the 4 hours.
In the legal community, "he knew what he was doing" is not sufficient to set up scienter or mens rea. If knowledge of the crime is an essential prong towards conviction, it must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt or that person gets a lesser penalty. Clearly, you are implying scienter/mens rea in his post, however, you can't and mustn't simply assume. You must prove. Unless you want to say that people may be and will be banned without warning or knowledge of an explicitly stated warning, you are acting in contravention of previously stated GLB protocol.
Just a heads up.
Originally posted by GSUFan513
Bort, TexasBorn wants you to PM you, says he was never warned just automatically banned.
That's BS...threads were locked with a "stop it" more than once. He knew what he was doing. He can wait the 4 hours.
In the legal community, "he knew what he was doing" is not sufficient to set up scienter or mens rea. If knowledge of the crime is an essential prong towards conviction, it must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt or that person gets a lesser penalty. Clearly, you are implying scienter/mens rea in his post, however, you can't and mustn't simply assume. You must prove. Unless you want to say that people may be and will be banned without warning or knowledge of an explicitly stated warning, you are acting in contravention of previously stated GLB protocol.
Just a heads up.
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