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HayRow
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Originally posted by HayRow
you guys can argue with cuiv all you want but we built an entire team (D'Hara) with extremely high strip tech and gold opp and didn't average more FF than other top teams


Fumble recoveries did seem to improve though so I'll give it that
 
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Originally posted by Cuivienen
wat

It's like I did read what you posted and responded directly to it, then you didn't read what I posted and made that claim hoping it was true.


Ok, well I'm going to quote exactly what I said, and your reply to it to be clear.

Originally posted by MileHighShoes


Yes it's expensive, and unlike power tackling, which has two functions (fumbles and combating power rushing), Strip tech only has one function of forcing fumbles, however it's a lot more powerful at forcing fumbles IMO, and this player isn't the only experiment I've done in strip tech. If you're chasing fumbles, it's your best bet... but obviously it's a luxury due to the cost, while power tackling has a very real value in this sim.



Here's what I said, and I'm goign to bold the part that you quoted and responded to, while you simultaneously ignored the greater context.

And then you responded with

Originally posted by Cuivienen
This is a myth btw. True, power tackling is correlated with a very small increase in FFum, but not nearly enough to call it a function of power tackling. It's more like a small ancillary bonus, but a lot of people believe it is a core function of the skill.


So you ignored the part where I stated that strip tech is much more powerful at forcing fumbles, so that you could tell me I was spreading myths and then post in your own words that the boost to fumbles from power tackling is small. However within the greater context of my post I don't think your response was warranted, since I clearly pointed out that strip tech caused much more fumbles per investment than power tackling, while I pointed out that power tackling has a real value in the sim in that it assists in stopping power rushing HB's, and assists in the make tackle roll.

So you ignored the greater context of my post to key in on an issue of scale in your mind, and when I responded by pointing out that you weren't really responding to anything I said and now you're trying to pretend that I'm the one not reading your post, when clearly you didn't read mine and cherrypicked the half a sentence you wanted to respond to while pretending the rest of my post did not exist.
Edited by MileHighShoes on Apr 27, 2016 17:51:11
 
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Originally posted by Cuivienen
Sure, if you can trust GE, who has a proven history of viewing his players through rose coloured glasses and highly fungible memory. Hell, he just posted a 15 yard pass as a top play, and he's not spamming - he honestly believes it is an amazing play.

Myself, I can't trust GE when he says he only invested in power tackling this season. His player has a marked increase in FFum this season, and the biggest change that happened this season was weather, and most of the bad weather games my players have played in have seen crazy high FFum. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that might be at least a part of what is happening here.

Other things change from season to season too. I don't know if GE's schedule is materially different this season than last, and I can't be bothered to spend the time to find out myself.

Point is, I can easily see this season is an outlier for his player, and I can easily see the changelog. I can't trust GE's opinion on what he has or has not done with the player. Just briefly glancing at the player, he had a 3 FFum game on day 6. If GE was only investing in power tackling this season, he still would have had low power tackling on day 6. So his own player disproves his theory since it looks like you don't need high power tackling to get 3 FFum in a game, if you can trust GE's memory and version of events of course. Which you can't. The other 3 FFum game was on day 28. He would have had time to get power tackling up by then, again, if we can trust him, but look, the weather for that game was rainy.


I can respond to this if you'd like. I have a team in GE's division this season and the Journeyman leagues were consolidated this past offseason.

Last season we had about 8 human teams and 4 CPU teams, 2 of the human teams weren't really full rosters or active owners. During the offseason, thanks to support, we merged the 2 JMan leagues, so that all of the human owned teams were in one league, and the CPU's, and 2 partial roster teams were moved to the other league. So this season, our league is 100% human owned, and it's arguably one of the toughest leagues in the game. So his schedule this season has gotten much harder. I have trouble believing that this season could be a positive outlier for him if you are just looking at league games.

However if you look at ladder games, our ladder schedules at JMan has gotten a LOT easier. The beginning of the season were mostly against the other JMan league which is all CPU's except for the 3 human owned teams with partial rosters or inactive owners. So there were a lot of early ladder blowouts, until the leagues split ladder rankings far enough that we started getting some seasoned teams in ladder, and now we're starting to pull pro and vet teams in our ladder matchups.

So I will say his league matchups have gotten much more competitive and difficult, but his ladder matchups are much easier. In league games Vader has 11 fumbles so far and leads our league in fumbles forced, with the next highest being 9 by the SS on my team, we've played 12 games so far, so that's just under a fumble a game. He forced 3 fumbles a game against a 100% rushing team and the second seed in our league and in general has been a pain to play against. We actually entirely avoided passing over the center of the field just to avoid Vader... and because zone defenses are very weak to outside passing from 3 and 4 WR formations. But I would be hesitant to ignore the results from his player simply because you don't trust GE. If you don't have the time to investigate, thats fine, you aren't forced to investigate everything, but you shoudn't let your prejudices color how you perceive the things you're told. The only real attitudes to have are; to know the answer because you investigated it yourself, or to not know the answer because you didn't investigate it. To claim to have an idea of the answer simply due to your opinion of the person relaying the information is a bad attitude to take up.
Edited by MileHighShoes on Apr 27, 2016 17:50:01
 
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Originally posted by DeeVee8
Once he gets to Pro start signing him up to the daily 9pm est PUP Club games. You'll get one of my powerbacks for sure!

You got it. That's a great idea
 
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Team Nucleus
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Sometimes you have to pound someones head through a wall so they can see whats on the other side
 
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Originally posted by Team Nucleus
Sometimes you have to pound someones head through a wall so they can see whats on the other side


And if you think strip tech is worth the sp investment I'll keep trying to pound your head through the wall
 
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Originally posted by HayRow
And if you think strip tech is worth the sp investment I'll keep trying to pound your head through the wall


Last I checked I said nothing about strip tech...feel free to use the back wall, the others are already occupied
Edited by Team Nucleus on Apr 27, 2016 23:14:17
 
Cuivienen
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Originally posted by MileHighShoes
So you ignored the part where I stated that strip tech is much more powerful at forcing fumbles


No I didn't.


Originally posted by MileHighShoes
so that you could tell me I was spreading myths and then post in your own words that the boost to fumbles from power tackling is small.


That wasn't the purpose at all.


Originally posted by MileHighShoes
However within the greater context of my post I don't think your response was warranted, since I clearly pointed out that strip tech caused much more fumbles per investment than power tackling, while I pointed out that power tackling has a real value in the sim in that it assists in stopping power rushing HB's, and assists in the make tackle roll.


My my, you have a selective memory. You also posted that forcing fumbles was a primary function of power tackling. It's not.


Originally posted by MileHighShoes
So you ignored the greater context of my post


Wrong again.


Originally posted by MileHighShoes
to key in on an issue of scale in your mind


And wrong yet again.


Originally posted by MileHighShoes
and when I responded by pointing out that you weren't really responding to anything I said and now you're trying to pretend that I'm the one not reading your post, when clearly you didn't read mine and cherrypicked the half a sentence you wanted to respond to while pretending the rest of my post did not exist.


And wrong a final few times.

You did answer one question for us all though. You did read my post. The issue was that you simply failed to comprehend it.
 
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Originally posted by MileHighShoes
However if you look at ladder games, our ladder schedules at JMan has gotten a LOT easier.


The season stats are ladder + league, so it sounds like your opinion is it's probably a wash compared to last season.


Originally posted by MileHighShoes
But I would be hesitant to ignore the results from his player simply because you don't trust GE.


Again with the reading comprehension. That's not what I was suggesting at all. I was saying we can't trust GE's anecdotes about the player. We have to look at just the player. That would be the opposite of ignoring the player.


Originally posted by MileHighShoes
you shoudn't let your prejudices color how you perceive the things you're told. The only real attitudes to have are; to know the answer because you investigated it yourself, or to not know the answer because you didn't investigate it. To claim to have an idea of the answer simply due to your opinion of the person relaying the information is a bad attitude to take up.


Again, that's not what happened. Your brain appears to be pretty muddled.

Are you really suggesting that people ignore eons of evolution and start ignoring people's past actions when judging their current actions? For instance, you would be totally fine letting a convicted serial child molester babysit your kids?

More power to you if that's your position. As for me, it's not. For instance, I'm not entirely surprised that you struggle to understand simple concepts and mix things up in your head given all your posting about how frequently you like to get high.
 
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strip tech works, but it isn't worth it.



we have a whole team of striptech/Opportunist players and it's no more productive than normal defenses.


Keep using it if you want though
 
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Cuiv are you quote happy? I think your brain is muddled, take some of your own advice and STOP POSTING
 
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Originally posted by Team Nucleus
Cuiv are you quote happy? I think your brain is muddled, take some of your own advice and STOP POSTING


Is this where I have a temper tantrum and respond with some retarded comment? Let me know how your playbook works.
 
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Originally posted by Cuivienen
Is this where I have a temper tantrum and respond with some retarded comment? Let me know how your playbook works.


Playbook? are you on drugs bro?
 
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