Pure passing is what can be limited and shut down enough at this point. You cannot get away with just spamming the standard pass only plays against proper defenses. I am not saying that this is not how it should be but rather that passing offenses need some plays to counter the defensive looks that limits these other plays. Balanced offenses with the ability to run can make a team hurt for going 3-3-5 on defense right now. The changes were needed and more are needed for both passing and running while also making more plays viable and maybe limiting the amount of spam that OCs can deliver but teams that do not have the ability to run are in trouble right now and simply cannot hang with proper defenses.
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Originally posted by Detroit Leos
Pure passing is what can be limited and shut down enough at this point. You cannot get away with just spamming the standard pass only plays against proper defenses. I am not saying that this is not how it should be but rather that passing offenses need some plays to counter the defensive looks that limits these other plays. Balanced offenses with the ability to run can make a team hurt for going 3-3-5 on defense right now. The changes were needed and more are needed for both passing and running while also making more plays viable and maybe limiting the amount of spam that OCs can deliver but teams that do not have the ability to run are in trouble right now and simply cannot hang with proper defenses.
But BSB's stats contradict what you are saying. A lot of the pass heavy teams stats contradict what you are saying actually. When teams are avg 50%+ throwing the ball 10+ yards 40-50 times a game there is a problem. The avg number of 10+ yards attempts by NFL has is 10-12 a game so about 30% of their attempts. Glb is more like 90% right now, that's just wrong anyway you slice it.
Pure passing is what can be limited and shut down enough at this point. You cannot get away with just spamming the standard pass only plays against proper defenses. I am not saying that this is not how it should be but rather that passing offenses need some plays to counter the defensive looks that limits these other plays. Balanced offenses with the ability to run can make a team hurt for going 3-3-5 on defense right now. The changes were needed and more are needed for both passing and running while also making more plays viable and maybe limiting the amount of spam that OCs can deliver but teams that do not have the ability to run are in trouble right now and simply cannot hang with proper defenses.
But BSB's stats contradict what you are saying. A lot of the pass heavy teams stats contradict what you are saying actually. When teams are avg 50%+ throwing the ball 10+ yards 40-50 times a game there is a problem. The avg number of 10+ yards attempts by NFL has is 10-12 a game so about 30% of their attempts. Glb is more like 90% right now, that's just wrong anyway you slice it.
random question -- if pure passing teams are struggling this season running the same old 5 plays...then are passing teams running lots of new scrims trying to find new passing plays that work?
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Originally posted by TxSteve
random question -- if pure passing teams are struggling this season running the same old 5 plays...then are passing teams running lots of new scrims trying to find new passing plays that work?
The idea that everyone is just using 5 passing plays is way overstated.
Bronx has used 44 different passing plays this season.
BSB has used 32 different passing plays this season.
Madison has used 20 different passing plays this season.
random question -- if pure passing teams are struggling this season running the same old 5 plays...then are passing teams running lots of new scrims trying to find new passing plays that work?
The idea that everyone is just using 5 passing plays is way overstated.
Bronx has used 44 different passing plays this season.
BSB has used 32 different passing plays this season.
Madison has used 20 different passing plays this season.
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Rob, what does the frequency distribution look like?
43 plays once and 1 play the rest of the time, or what?
43 plays once and 1 play the rest of the time, or what?
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Originally posted by Cuivienen
Rob, what does the frequency distribution look like?
43 plays once and 1 play the rest of the time, or what?
The plays that perform better generally get called more. It was a response to Steve suggesting that people aren't trying other passing plays. People are trying other passing plays.
Rob, what does the frequency distribution look like?
43 plays once and 1 play the rest of the time, or what?
The plays that perform better generally get called more. It was a response to Steve suggesting that people aren't trying other passing plays. People are trying other passing plays.
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It's probably a combination of many things, but passing seems to be a bit down the past season or two. Probably a mix of builds, playcalling and the changes Corndog made. I am totally fine with it though. If you know the team you are facing is going to pass the ball then you should be able to do a decent job at slowing it down. That wasn't always the case in the past. Teams that can run AND pass well seem to be thriving in the current sim and that's how it should be.
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Originally posted by Merik
sooo which QB on pure passing team is having 50%+ completion against good teams?
BSB with 52% against top 15 teams
Hostile falls a tad short at 49%
logzilla at 51%
thats all 3 pure passing teams in the top 20
if we lower the bar to teams that pass 70% min we add
Bronx (75% pass against top 15) at 53%
Hawaii(70%) at 56%
Madison (81%) for 54%
to make it interesting lets add ypc
Madison at 12.6 ypc
Hawaii at 9.9 ypc
Bronx at 12.3 ypc
Logzilla at 12.1 ypc
Hostile at 12.3
BSB at 11.3
heres another fun one MeM whos passing is extremely predictable is sitting at 53% and 11.4 ypc using half receiving half blocking receivers.
sooo which QB on pure passing team is having 50%+ completion against good teams?
BSB with 52% against top 15 teams
Hostile falls a tad short at 49%
logzilla at 51%
thats all 3 pure passing teams in the top 20
if we lower the bar to teams that pass 70% min we add
Bronx (75% pass against top 15) at 53%
Hawaii(70%) at 56%
Madison (81%) for 54%
to make it interesting lets add ypc
Madison at 12.6 ypc
Hawaii at 9.9 ypc
Bronx at 12.3 ypc
Logzilla at 12.1 ypc
Hostile at 12.3
BSB at 11.3
heres another fun one MeM whos passing is extremely predictable is sitting at 53% and 11.4 ypc using half receiving half blocking receivers.
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Originally posted by Rob.
The plays that perform better generally get called more. It was a response to Steve suggesting that people aren't trying other passing plays. People are trying other passing plays.
I wasn't trying to back door dispute that...
Am just curious.
The plays that perform better generally get called more. It was a response to Steve suggesting that people aren't trying other passing plays. People are trying other passing plays.
I wasn't trying to back door dispute that...
Am just curious.
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Originally posted by USC_Trojans
BSB with 52% against top 15 teams
Hostile falls a tad short at 49%
logzilla at 51%
thats all 3 pure passing teams in the top 20
if we lower the bar to teams that pass 70% min we add
Bronx (75% pass against top 15) at 53%
Hawaii(70%) at 56%
Madison (81%) for 54%
to make it interesting lets add ypc
Madison at 12.6 ypc
Hawaii at 9.9 ypc
Bronx at 12.3 ypc
Logzilla at 12.1 ypc
Hostile at 12.3
BSB at 11.3
heres another fun one MeM whos passing is extremely predictable is sitting at 53% and 11.4 ypc using half receiving half blocking receivers.
BSB is ranked #16 in the ladder, Logzilla is #12 and Hostile is #7. Passing a ton doesn't = win anymore.
#1 DA - 52 Pass/48 Run
#2 DD - 54 Run/46 Pass
#3 Freakville - 51 Pass/49 Run
#4 Central - 79 Run/21 Pass
#5 Bronx - 69 Pass/31 Run
BSB with 52% against top 15 teams
Hostile falls a tad short at 49%
logzilla at 51%
thats all 3 pure passing teams in the top 20
if we lower the bar to teams that pass 70% min we add
Bronx (75% pass against top 15) at 53%
Hawaii(70%) at 56%
Madison (81%) for 54%
to make it interesting lets add ypc
Madison at 12.6 ypc
Hawaii at 9.9 ypc
Bronx at 12.3 ypc
Logzilla at 12.1 ypc
Hostile at 12.3
BSB at 11.3
heres another fun one MeM whos passing is extremely predictable is sitting at 53% and 11.4 ypc using half receiving half blocking receivers.
BSB is ranked #16 in the ladder, Logzilla is #12 and Hostile is #7. Passing a ton doesn't = win anymore.
#1 DA - 52 Pass/48 Run
#2 DD - 54 Run/46 Pass
#3 Freakville - 51 Pass/49 Run
#4 Central - 79 Run/21 Pass
#5 Bronx - 69 Pass/31 Run
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so... who wants to help me run things at Madison?
looking for an OC and DC
Defensively I'd love to have someone like PaulM or Blastoh as I've loved what they've done in the past... run D needs to be improved. Our pass D is arguably the or one of the best in GLB2. Offensively need someone balanced that runs an O similar to mine.
looking for an OC and DC
Defensively I'd love to have someone like PaulM or Blastoh as I've loved what they've done in the past... run D needs to be improved. Our pass D is arguably the or one of the best in GLB2. Offensively need someone balanced that runs an O similar to mine.
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Originally posted by Rob.
BSB is ranked #16 in the ladder, Logzilla is #12 and Hostile is #7. Passing a ton doesn't = win anymore.
#1 DA - 52 Pass/48 Run
#2 DD - 54 Run/46 Pass
#3 Freakville - 51 Pass/49 Run
#4 Central - 79 Run/21 Pass
#5 Bronx - 69 Pass/31 Run
i wont argue that balanced teams are better but thats not because all pass is worse. its because 3 wr passing is so powerful that you have to fully commit to it which leaves you vulnerable to the run. there is honestly no better example than MeM. Our wrs and tes are 50/50 block receiving and our passing is pretty predictable yet because passing is so powerful we managed to put up 53% and 11.4 ypc despite having almost no pass blocking investment, having wrs and tes who arent speced for pure pass, and being extremely predictable with play calling. I could understand if I got these kind of stats by being unpredictable but that isnt whats happening
BSB is ranked #16 in the ladder, Logzilla is #12 and Hostile is #7. Passing a ton doesn't = win anymore.
#1 DA - 52 Pass/48 Run
#2 DD - 54 Run/46 Pass
#3 Freakville - 51 Pass/49 Run
#4 Central - 79 Run/21 Pass
#5 Bronx - 69 Pass/31 Run
i wont argue that balanced teams are better but thats not because all pass is worse. its because 3 wr passing is so powerful that you have to fully commit to it which leaves you vulnerable to the run. there is honestly no better example than MeM. Our wrs and tes are 50/50 block receiving and our passing is pretty predictable yet because passing is so powerful we managed to put up 53% and 11.4 ypc despite having almost no pass blocking investment, having wrs and tes who arent speced for pure pass, and being extremely predictable with play calling. I could understand if I got these kind of stats by being unpredictable but that isnt whats happening
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Originally posted by USC_Trojans
i wont argue that balanced teams are better but thats not because all pass is worse. its because 3 wr passing is so powerful that you have to fully commit to it which leaves you vulnerable to the run.
You just argued against yourself. That is exactly why teams that can run and pass are strong in the current sim. You can sell out to slow down a pure passing team by adjusting your depth chart and calling the best plays, but against a team that can do both you are forced to pick less than ideal pass defense plays and your defensive specialists become less powerful.
If you honestly thought passing on MEM was OP you would pass the ball a lot more. The only reason you are "decent" at passing is because you are facing defenses that are trying to stop the run with their playcalling and depth charts. Even still, you are at about 40 yards passing per game, 51% completions and 6.1 yards per attempt. Barely mentionable and far from powerful.
i wont argue that balanced teams are better but thats not because all pass is worse. its because 3 wr passing is so powerful that you have to fully commit to it which leaves you vulnerable to the run.
You just argued against yourself. That is exactly why teams that can run and pass are strong in the current sim. You can sell out to slow down a pure passing team by adjusting your depth chart and calling the best plays, but against a team that can do both you are forced to pick less than ideal pass defense plays and your defensive specialists become less powerful.
If you honestly thought passing on MEM was OP you would pass the ball a lot more. The only reason you are "decent" at passing is because you are facing defenses that are trying to stop the run with their playcalling and depth charts. Even still, you are at about 40 yards passing per game, 51% completions and 6.1 yards per attempt. Barely mentionable and far from powerful.
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Originally posted by Merik
sooo which QB on pure passing team is having 50%+ completion against good teams?
It doesn't really matter. The differences are mostly meaningless.
If you're averaging 12+ YPC, then over 80% of your catches are 10+ yards. So a 50% completion rate = a 40+% chance of a First Down.
No one builds Passing Teams to maximize completion %. You maximize First Down %.
Originally posted by TxSteve
random question -- if pure passing teams are struggling this season running the same old 5 plays...then are passing teams running lots of new scrims trying to find new passing plays that work?
There are no new plays that "work". If you're looking for 40%+ First Down plays, there's nothing new. If you're running a Balanced O and looking for some high completion % 5-8 yard catches, they don't exist either.
sooo which QB on pure passing team is having 50%+ completion against good teams?
It doesn't really matter. The differences are mostly meaningless.
If you're averaging 12+ YPC, then over 80% of your catches are 10+ yards. So a 50% completion rate = a 40+% chance of a First Down.
No one builds Passing Teams to maximize completion %. You maximize First Down %.
Originally posted by TxSteve
random question -- if pure passing teams are struggling this season running the same old 5 plays...then are passing teams running lots of new scrims trying to find new passing plays that work?
There are no new plays that "work". If you're looking for 40%+ First Down plays, there's nothing new. If you're running a Balanced O and looking for some high completion % 5-8 yard catches, they don't exist either.
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