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Originally posted by ImTheScientist


1) 90% of successful NFL QB's come from Universities that are not football powerhouse schools.

Isn't that because 90% of 1st round QBs aren't from powerhouse schools? How many OSU or Texas or FL QBs have gone even on the 1st day of the draft. USC is about the only big name school that has had QBs drafted high recently.

Originally posted by ijg
Originally posted by StoutOne DTD

As a football fan, I was very disappointed in my choice to be a Rams fan, but whatev.

FYP

he's gotta be better then jamarcus russell....

Originally posted by ijg
Isn't that because 90% of 1st round QBs aren't from powerhouse schools? How many OSU or Texas or FL QBs have gone even on the 1st day of the draft. USC is about the only big name school that has had QBs drafted high recently.
Ugh.... Big name school? How many schools are you counting?
Not counting usc and just 1st rd picls there is lots of qbs.
Vince Young
Sam Bradford
Michael vick
Joey harrington(oregon count?)
Kyle boller
Aaron Rodgers
Jamarcus Russel
Grossman
Teebow
Eli Manning - Ole miss count? They play in the best conference
Rivers - NC state count as a big school?
Jason Campbell
Matt Ryan- BC count?


I don't know how many qbs have been taken in the 1st round in the last 15 years but all of those guys went to pretty big schools.They might have sucked but to say 90% don't come from powerhouse schools. is insane. Especially when you throw usc's qbs into that powerhouse calculation.

Unless you're only using 4 schools to define powerhouse schools - then you could say 90% of anything when trying to prove a point if its 4/400

That's a good list. I would argue with some. Vick basically put VT on the map, and I wouldn't count Ole Miss/NC State/BC as big name schools. But there definitely have been quite a few. It's certainly not close to accurate to say that 90% of 1st round QBs aren't from powerhouse schools.

Originally posted by ijg
Originally posted by StoutOne DTD

As a football fan, I was very disappointed in my choice to be a Rams fan, but whatev.

FYP

wp

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Originally posted by jrry32

Nope, 6-7 wins next season and then playoffs after that. Best and most pro ready QB prospect since Peyton Manning.

Crack pipe down please. ESPN magazine down.

1) 90% of successful NFL QB's come from Universities that are not football powerhouse schools. Oklahoma was so dominant he rarely saw pressure and always had superior talent.
2) He has never played in a pro style system, under center. He was not required to read defenses and most the time only had 1 read.
3) Matt Ryan was the best and most pro ready prospect since Peyton Manning. How can you say a QB who didn't play a full 4 years, never played in a pro style system, and only was required to make one read, pro ready?
4) He didn't read defenses and took the plays from the sideline...and NEVER changed them based on what he was seeing. When you see pre snap film of him he isn't focused on the defense, how they are moving/lining up, he is looking at the sideline.

He is going to end up like David Carr. Beat up from getting sacked so many times, and he seem brittle so I would guess he will more than likely be injured a lot. This will keep the Rams at the lower end of the league for years to come and eventually you won't like them because more than likely you are just a front runner who jumped on their bandwagon when they won the superbowl.

I lol'd, ITS you are a moron. If I jumped on the bandwagon, I would have jumped off when the Rams started sucking. As for Carr, he was drafted by an expansion team. The Rams in the last 3 years have signed two highly sought after interior OLs in FA, drafted a LT #2 overall and drafted a RT #33 overall. Also funny that you call Bradford brittle, Drew Brees had a more severe shoulder injury and yet he's been just fine. Bradford started every other game in college except for the games he missed with the shoulder injury. I think Bradford will be ok.

1) You are wrong. Bradford saw pressure and stepped up big time in games where he played teams of equal talent. As for QBs from Powerhouse programs not working out, care to explain Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers becoming great QBs? What about Bart Starr and Joe Namath from Bama? Joe Montana from Notre Dame? Jim Kelly at Miami? Dan Marino at Pittsburgh?

2) ITS don't discuss things you are ignorant about. Bradford played in a system at OU that was a hybrid spread/Pro Style system. He took probably 30-50% of his snaps per game under center, ran a lot of playaction passes and was quite successful passing out of Pro Style formations. And if you care to read Bolick's post, you are wrong but just judging by the ignorance in that first sentence, you didn't watch Bradford in college so you have no clue what he did.

3) Matt Ryan wasn't even the #1 overall pick. You are judging AFTER the season and Matt Ryan was incredibly overrated in that season. He walked into the perfect role kind of like Roethlisberger. Bradford as a prospect is better than Ryan as a prospect.

4) You mean a QB when he's getting the play is looking at the coach and not the defense. OMG. What you didn't know is that Bradford did have hot routes and audibles that he called at OU.

Originally posted by TrevJo
Vick basically put VT on the map.

He maybe took them to the next level, but I remember VT crushing back in the mid 90's before Vick showed up. Remember Beamer ball? They were crushing, I Think they were even a top 10 team at some point back then. Hell Didn't they play nebraska for some huge bowl game when that white dude was qb for them? That was like 4-5 years b4 vick even got there I think.

Originally posted by Dpride59
Originally posted by TrevJo

Vick basically put VT on the map.

He maybe took them to the next level, but I remember VT crushing back in the mid 90's before Vick showed up. Remember Beamer ball? They were crushing, I Think they were even a top 10 team at some point back then. Hell Didn't they play nebraska for some huge bowl game when that white dude was qb for them? That was like 4-5 years b4 vick even got there I think.

Vick was the beginning of Beamer ball in the early 90s...they might have been decent prior though. But the Vick era was the first I heard of them

Originally posted by Dpride59
Originally posted by ijg

Isn't that because 90% of 1st round QBs aren't from powerhouse schools? How many OSU or Texas or FL QBs have gone even on the 1st day of the draft. USC is about the only big name school that has had QBs drafted high recently.
Ugh.... Big name school? How many schools are you counting?
Not counting usc and just 1st rd picls there is lots of qbs.
Vince Young
Sam Bradford
Michael vick
Joey harrington(oregon count?)
Kyle boller
Aaron Rodgers
Jamarcus Russel
Grossman
Teebow
Eli Manning - Ole miss count? They play in the best conference
Rivers - NC state count as a big school?
Jason Campbell
Matt Ryan- BC count?


I don't know how many qbs have been taken in the 1st round in the last 15 years but all of those guys went to pretty big schools.They might have sucked but to say 90% don't come from powerhouse schools. is insane. Especially when you throw usc's qbs into that powerhouse calculation.

Unless you're only using 4 schools to define powerhouse schools - then you could say 90% of anything when trying to prove a point if its 4/400


Which is the problem with ITS's statement. When you say 90% of the QBs come from non powerhouse schools. Well if you only consider 5 schools to be powerhouse schools, well that's not surprising considering that's 5 out of like 120 schools and that's only in Div. 1-A.

Originally posted by 5STAR
Vick was the beginning of Beamer ball in the early 90s...they might have been decent prior though. But the Vick era was the first I heard of them

What? Beamer ball was because of their defense and special teams. Had nothing to do with vick...

Originally posted by 5STAR
Originally posted by Dpride59

Originally posted by TrevJo


Vick basically put VT on the map.

He maybe took them to the next level, but I remember VT crushing back in the mid 90's before Vick showed up. Remember Beamer ball? They were crushing, I Think they were even a top 10 team at some point back then. Hell Didn't they play nebraska for some huge bowl game when that white dude was qb for them? That was like 4-5 years b4 vick even got there I think.

Vick was the beginning of Beamer ball in the early 90s...they might have been decent prior though. But the Vick era was the first I heard of them

Beamer came to Va Tech in the late 80s and started having big time success in 1993, Vick came to Va Tech in 1999.

Originally posted by 5STAR
Originally posted by Dpride59

Originally posted by TrevJo


Vick basically put VT on the map.

He maybe took them to the next level, but I remember VT crushing back in the mid 90's before Vick showed up. Remember Beamer ball? They were crushing, I Think they were even a top 10 team at some point back then. Hell Didn't they play nebraska for some huge bowl game when that white dude was qb for them? That was like 4-5 years b4 vick even got there I think.

Vick was the beginning of Beamer ball in the early 90s...they might have been decent prior though. But the Vick era was the first I heard of them

They did win the Sugar Bowl in '95, but they weren't really a powerhouse school before Vick was there. Not unless you really stretch the definition of powerhouse.

Originally posted by jrry32
Beamer came to Va Tech in the late 80s and started having big time success in 1993, Vick came to Va Tech in 1999.

Yeah they won the big east in 95 and 96 it looks like, and crushed texas and lost to nebraska in big time bowl games. But Vick was in jr high in the early 90s

Originally posted by TrevJo
Originally posted by 5STAR

Originally posted by Dpride59


Originally posted by TrevJo



Vick basically put VT on the map.

He maybe took them to the next level, but I remember VT crushing back in the mid 90's before Vick showed up. Remember Beamer ball? They were crushing, I Think they were even a top 10 team at some point back then. Hell Didn't they play nebraska for some huge bowl game when that white dude was qb for them? That was like 4-5 years b4 vick even got there I think.

Vick was the beginning of Beamer ball in the early 90s...they might have been decent prior though. But the Vick era was the first I heard of them

They did win the Sugar Bowl in '95, but they weren't really a powerhouse school before Vick was there. Not unless you really stretch the definition of powerhouse.

I mean the whole argument is a bit crazy. When you only consider 5-10 schools out of 200+ schools that have had QBs drafted, of course they won't be in the majority.

Originally posted by TrevJo
They did win the Sugar Bowl in '95, but they weren't really a powerhouse school except when Vick was there (and to a lesser degree after he left) imo. Not unless you really stretch the definition of powerhouse.

Thats just it. How do you define a power house team? Anyone who is competing for a conference title is a damn good school. obviously not at these 4 schools level..

USC
Texas
Oklahoma
Florida

But if you did that you wouldn't even include california/oregon/Georgia/lol Michigan/Notredame.. Big time school would be a better way to say it IMO.

It would still leave off the Ben cheeseburger/pennington/leftwhich/carr/alex smith/cutler/ and the rest of those perennial deadbeat schools/small schools.