I think Toad is referring to the folks complaining about the "exploit". It's entirely stoppable.
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Denying that it is an exploit is either being dishonest or ignorant. You wouldn't see ALL forums cluttered with it if it weren't an exploit.
But like I said earlier. You guys did what you had to do to win, and no one can fault you for that. While cheap, it ultimately is Bort & Co.'s fault for not fixing it.
But like I said earlier. You guys did what you had to do to win, and no one can fault you for that. While cheap, it ultimately is Bort & Co.'s fault for not fixing it.
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Originally posted by SuperHawks
Denying that it is an exploit is either being dishonest or ignorant. You wouldn't see ALL forums cluttered with it if it weren't an exploit.
It's a semantical argument. What does "exploit" mean? People here are using it to describe a play that is stronger than they think it should be. Maybe some of us think that all the other running plays should be more effective. Or that Power HBs shouldn't be as over powered as they are. (btw, Ghana has no power HBs. Our backs are all elusive builds) Or that OTs shouldn't be as totally useless on the pass blocking as they are. Or any number of other things that we feel aren't balanced in the game.
I completely believe that if Ghana and SLS played again, and Ghana used the same Offensive plan as we did today, you guys would stop us. We caught you by surprise by this and I think it's only because you guys didn't think we had a chance. If you reviewed our last game and saw the average gain we had using this play versus all the others in our game plan, it should have been obvious that we'd use it. So either you thought we were too stupid to realize the play worked against you or you thought we didn't care enough about the playoffs to try and win. I'm not sure which it is. It was still a good game and I look forward to playing you guys next season.
Denying that it is an exploit is either being dishonest or ignorant. You wouldn't see ALL forums cluttered with it if it weren't an exploit.
It's a semantical argument. What does "exploit" mean? People here are using it to describe a play that is stronger than they think it should be. Maybe some of us think that all the other running plays should be more effective. Or that Power HBs shouldn't be as over powered as they are. (btw, Ghana has no power HBs. Our backs are all elusive builds) Or that OTs shouldn't be as totally useless on the pass blocking as they are. Or any number of other things that we feel aren't balanced in the game.
I completely believe that if Ghana and SLS played again, and Ghana used the same Offensive plan as we did today, you guys would stop us. We caught you by surprise by this and I think it's only because you guys didn't think we had a chance. If you reviewed our last game and saw the average gain we had using this play versus all the others in our game plan, it should have been obvious that we'd use it. So either you thought we were too stupid to realize the play worked against you or you thought we didn't care enough about the playoffs to try and win. I'm not sure which it is. It was still a good game and I look forward to playing you guys next season.
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bottom line, its a pussy move, you and every other team on GLB have success running out of the Power I... So that observation by you is either ignorant or you are just plain stupid...
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Originally posted by Lensar
Originally posted by SuperHawks
Denying that it is an exploit is either being dishonest or ignorant. You wouldn't see ALL forums cluttered with it if it weren't an exploit.
It's a semantical argument. What does "exploit" mean? People here are using it to describe a play that is stronger than they think it should be. Maybe some of us think that all the other running plays should be more effective. Or that Power HBs shouldn't be as over powered as they are. (btw, Ghana has no power HBs. Our backs are all elusive builds) Or that OTs shouldn't be as totally useless on the pass blocking as they are. Or any number of other things that we feel aren't balanced in the game.
I completely believe that if Ghana and SLS played again, and Ghana used the same Offensive plan as we did today, you guys would stop us. We caught you by surprise by this and I think it's only because you guys didn't think we had a chance. If you reviewed our last game and saw the average gain we had using this play versus all the others in our game plan, it should have been obvious that we'd use it. So either you thought we were too stupid to realize the play worked against you or you thought we didn't care enough about the playoffs to try and win. I'm not sure which it is. It was still a good game and I look forward to playing you guys next season.
Believe it or not, before this game I had tremendous respect for you guys and we didn't take you lightly at all. You guys, much like us, let your play do the talking and don't really light up the boards with a bunch of trash talk. I guess we just figured you guys weren't the type of team that would stoop to running Strong I Slam every time. So in that case, you are right. We were ready for a heavy dose of your running attack, but we were completely unprepared to be exploited like that.
Good luck going forward, but I really do hope that TLGoT does the exact same thing to you guys.
Originally posted by SuperHawks
Denying that it is an exploit is either being dishonest or ignorant. You wouldn't see ALL forums cluttered with it if it weren't an exploit.
It's a semantical argument. What does "exploit" mean? People here are using it to describe a play that is stronger than they think it should be. Maybe some of us think that all the other running plays should be more effective. Or that Power HBs shouldn't be as over powered as they are. (btw, Ghana has no power HBs. Our backs are all elusive builds) Or that OTs shouldn't be as totally useless on the pass blocking as they are. Or any number of other things that we feel aren't balanced in the game.
I completely believe that if Ghana and SLS played again, and Ghana used the same Offensive plan as we did today, you guys would stop us. We caught you by surprise by this and I think it's only because you guys didn't think we had a chance. If you reviewed our last game and saw the average gain we had using this play versus all the others in our game plan, it should have been obvious that we'd use it. So either you thought we were too stupid to realize the play worked against you or you thought we didn't care enough about the playoffs to try and win. I'm not sure which it is. It was still a good game and I look forward to playing you guys next season.
Believe it or not, before this game I had tremendous respect for you guys and we didn't take you lightly at all. You guys, much like us, let your play do the talking and don't really light up the boards with a bunch of trash talk. I guess we just figured you guys weren't the type of team that would stoop to running Strong I Slam every time. So in that case, you are right. We were ready for a heavy dose of your running attack, but we were completely unprepared to be exploited like that.
Good luck going forward, but I really do hope that TLGoT does the exact same thing to you guys.
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Just move on, and try to exploit the next opponent.... You already have shown you are a classless act...
I want to know who is the first one to let this go....It was decided well before the playoffs that anything goes in APL, so to sit here and go back and forth is just a waste of time and somewhat of an embarrassment to the APL. We had a long winded thread earlier and people posted all the same shit, time to move on and let it go or do something about it. Here are the options as I see them:
Teams only need to be loyal to their teams so take the do what you have to do attitude and try to win the game with the tools you have - If that means running the same play 1000 times, so be it.....
If everyone really wants to man up and do something about it, take a stance in the APL and the remaining teams all agree to take that one play out their playbook and may the best team win. There are plenty of other running plays to be exploited out there, I know the OC's on these teams can find them and their offense won't miss a beat. Police our own league and don't wait on Bort for anything.
It is hard enough being an owner in this league and trying to recruit players to come to the APL over other Pro leagues and to be honest, if I was Free Agent looking at leagues, I might not want to come over here because of all this nonsense going back and forth....
Add that to the fact that my team lost today, I am not all that happy...Best of luck to the remaining playoff teams.
Teams only need to be loyal to their teams so take the do what you have to do attitude and try to win the game with the tools you have - If that means running the same play 1000 times, so be it.....
If everyone really wants to man up and do something about it, take a stance in the APL and the remaining teams all agree to take that one play out their playbook and may the best team win. There are plenty of other running plays to be exploited out there, I know the OC's on these teams can find them and their offense won't miss a beat. Police our own league and don't wait on Bort for anything.
It is hard enough being an owner in this league and trying to recruit players to come to the APL over other Pro leagues and to be honest, if I was Free Agent looking at leagues, I might not want to come over here because of all this nonsense going back and forth....
Add that to the fact that my team lost today, I am not all that happy...Best of luck to the remaining playoff teams.
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Originally posted by killertoad
C'mon guys stop it!!! Listen Majech I like you a lot, one of the people I'll miss most on here with our battles every year. But you are wrong here.
Are you gonna tell me that in all of your gameplanning for the playoffs, and with everything that went on in the game the past 8 weeks, that you guys never ever thought that the team you played would pull out all the stops and run the I Strong against you over 85% of the time? Are you trying to say that to me, a fellow D Coordinator? If you are then man you deserved to lose.
Fuck dude we didn't know if the Dream would run that Power I 100% or pass 100% like the Lions did against us. We made the best gameplan we could to counter both. You could have done the same thing. They beat you. Give them props and move on man.
Missed point Toad. No, I honestly did not expect that Outlawz would run what HE call at "chickenshit" game plan against us. Anyone else in the conference, I wouldn't have batted an eye, it would have been crappy, but I wouldn't have thought much about it.
Wow, they Dream might run it? No, shit. They've been 100% run since day one.
C'mon guys stop it!!! Listen Majech I like you a lot, one of the people I'll miss most on here with our battles every year. But you are wrong here.
Are you gonna tell me that in all of your gameplanning for the playoffs, and with everything that went on in the game the past 8 weeks, that you guys never ever thought that the team you played would pull out all the stops and run the I Strong against you over 85% of the time? Are you trying to say that to me, a fellow D Coordinator? If you are then man you deserved to lose.
Fuck dude we didn't know if the Dream would run that Power I 100% or pass 100% like the Lions did against us. We made the best gameplan we could to counter both. You could have done the same thing. They beat you. Give them props and move on man.
Missed point Toad. No, I honestly did not expect that Outlawz would run what HE call at "chickenshit" game plan against us. Anyone else in the conference, I wouldn't have batted an eye, it would have been crappy, but I wouldn't have thought much about it.
Wow, they Dream might run it? No, shit. They've been 100% run since day one.
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Originally posted by tbrew83
bottom line, its a pussy move, you and every other team on GLB have success running out of the Power I... So that observation by you is either ignorant or you are just plain stupid...
Actually, the pussy move is trying to rationalize it as a legitimate tactic while the entire main forum is lit up like a Christmas tree with players demanding a fix before they drop another penny on this game.
bottom line, its a pussy move, you and every other team on GLB have success running out of the Power I... So that observation by you is either ignorant or you are just plain stupid...
Actually, the pussy move is trying to rationalize it as a legitimate tactic while the entire main forum is lit up like a Christmas tree with players demanding a fix before they drop another penny on this game.
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You ran one play against us period. Had we done that to you we would have FUCKING CRUSHED YOU. I feel very confident that we have a better running game than the Lions and we saw how they tore your ass up. We settled for FG's because we ran different plays ass clown. Had we kept running the strong I you never would have stopped us.
But you didn't do that so you lost. Who's the ass clown for running plays that didn't work.
Also we spent hours upon hours scouting the Bugeaters. The one thing we noticed was that for some reason people had success running the strong I against you guys. We saw a weakness in your D and exposed it. Fix your D-AI.
You call that gameplanning? LOL, hmm a play that pretty much always works, works on us? Surprise, surprise...
Originally posted by ib_mr_ed
You ran one play against us period. Had we done that to you we would have FUCKING CRUSHED YOU. I feel very confident that we have a better running game than the Lions and we saw how they tore your ass up. We settled for FG's because we ran different plays ass clown. Had we kept running the strong I you never would have stopped us.
But you didn't do that so you lost. Who's the ass clown for running plays that didn't work.
Also we spent hours upon hours scouting the Bugeaters. The one thing we noticed was that for some reason people had success running the strong I against you guys. We saw a weakness in your D and exposed it. Fix your D-AI.
You call that gameplanning? LOL, hmm a play that pretty much always works, works on us? Surprise, surprise...
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Originally posted by killertoad
If any of you who are complaining think that the NFL coaches wouldn't do the same exact thing to win you are nuts. If Andy Reid knew that he would have beaten NE in the Super Bowl if he ran OT all damn night long....do you think he wouldn't out of some misplaced sense of honor? Fuck no!!! He'd run that fucking ball OT till Westbrook's legs fell off.
Enough!!
LOL, that is REAL football dumbass. There are coaches that make IN GAME adjustments. Bad argument Toad.
If any of you who are complaining think that the NFL coaches wouldn't do the same exact thing to win you are nuts. If Andy Reid knew that he would have beaten NE in the Super Bowl if he ran OT all damn night long....do you think he wouldn't out of some misplaced sense of honor? Fuck no!!! He'd run that fucking ball OT till Westbrook's legs fell off.
Enough!!
LOL, that is REAL football dumbass. There are coaches that make IN GAME adjustments. Bad argument Toad.
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Originally posted by Lensar
I think Toad is referring to the folks complaining about the "exploit". It's entirely stoppable.
Yeah, that's what I was hinting at.
I think Toad is referring to the folks complaining about the "exploit". It's entirely stoppable.
Yeah, that's what I was hinting at.
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LOL, yes, that is a tremendous amount of game planning!!!! WOW, Strong I works, wtf was I thinking???
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