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Obama > McCain

Discuss...

Obama is scared of gators?

This is football or gaming....

not politics.

But to humor you....


One of the largest problems with America is that people feel that those two choices are their ONLY choices and therefore their best choice. Look at what both parties have done over the last 60 years. There were some great things accomplished by some good men, but always with SEVERE ramifications. Regan was a great president and he did a lot of things with russia, with drugs, with the economy but the lasting impression he left was an economic system that was mimicked but never duplicated because it was based purely on situation. Before that, Carter was a disaster which was why the Republicans got elected in the first place. Before that Ford was a joke, Nixon was impeached (although his greatness is overshadowed by the fact that he was caught doing something that everyone else was doing too.). Its funny that people villify Nixon but he had some great ideas, was an abasador to China in a time when global integration and a "small world" were pipe dreams. His economic plan was solid and he ended our time (or tried to) in Vietnam (a war he didn't start but inherited, much like Obama/McCain). In fact, the parallels between the time when Nixon was in office and now are startling. Obama and McCain can only hope to have the ideas and problem solving skills that Nixon had and they sure better hope that they do not get caught doing what everyone knows America does.

But I digress, I long for the day when most Americans are making educated choices based on the best candidate from a choice of 5,6,7, or more choices, rather than saltine A or saltine B. The vanilla choice is rarely the best and never the right choice. Both candidates are as vanilla as they come. Do yourself a favor, look up the Libritarian party, find out what they are about, and make educated choices on whats best for you, your family and our country.

Well thought out. Good read shardaddy.
I suppose I put too much blind faith in my government.
I have never voted and don't intend to.
I will leave that up to the people that have the inclination in these matters.

dont get me started on people who dont vote...

we had a teacher in HS who would yell and scream that all of us had to vote. He would tell us why its so important. he would say "people would kill to have a voice in their ruling body. People die each day fighting for that freedom."

Then, and this is what kills me, he said "however, i am educated enough to know that i am throwing my vote away if i vote small and follow my heart but voting for the lesser of two evils make my conscience uneasy."

"So i dont vote."




I never understood that teacher. Of course, he smoked pot in the parking lot with students so...theres that.

Well... One voice out of well over a million votes doesn't really change much.
I have a favorite in my mind, I just don't want to vote.
I did my time in the military, served my country, even went to the desert for them.
So good job by fulfilling your responsibility and showing concern for your country by voting.
I am happy where I stand.

IMO if you don't vote....then DO NOT complain if things get bad b/c you had a cahance to speak your mind and you chose not to.

I hate the people (and media) that talk about the "right" to vote.

You have no "right" to vote, it is a privelege, not a right. It can be taken away from you. Nowhere in the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights, does it say anything about a "right to vote".

You know its funny because I started the thread, but I usually don't talk politics with anyone because when I do I start making a lot of sense (surprising I know) and people start getting pissed off at me.

I will say this, however, I have never contributed to a political campaign. I have always voted in an election each time it is available. I have never felt strongly about candidate A over candidate B with the exception of twice in my life.

Number 1: Al Gore over George Bush
Number 2: Barack Obama over John McCain

I actually have agreed with Obama on just about every single issue. I actually felt so compelled by his views and goals, that this year I donated to his campaign. If he doesn't win this year I will be shocked.

In my mind, it's time for a change from the normal every day politics and shift to a change in Washington and I think Obama is just the person to do it. Listen to him speak just once and hear the conviction and the ideas that he has and you'll enjoy every bit of one of his speeches.

Originally posted by BigCowboysFan
You know its funny because I started the thread, but I usually don't talk politics with anyone because when I do I start making a lot of sense (surprising I know) and people start getting pissed off at me.

I will say this, however, I have never contributed to a political campaign. I have always voted in an election each time it is available. I have never felt strongly about candidate A over candidate B with the exception of twice in my life.

Number 1: Al Gore over George Bush
Number 2: Barack Obama over John McCain

I actually have agreed with Obama on just about every single issue. I actually felt so compelled by his views and goals, that this year I donated to his campaign. If he doesn't win this year I will be shocked.

In my mind, it's time for a change from the normal every day politics and shift to a change in Washington and I think Obama is just the person to do it. Listen to him speak just once and hear the conviction and the ideas that he has and you'll enjoy every bit of one of his speeches.

Damn...now you've got me started. I will resist the incredible temptation to retort

Needless to say I am a staunch Republican and believe that 140+ days of public service does not qualify a person to run the most powerful nation on earth. Plus, the combination of ...the democratic nominee...and a liberal congress run by the bat-like nancy pelosi, whill immediately signal the beginning of the steep decline of the U.S.
It seems like both the dem candidates seem hellbent on neutering the U.S. so that we're as ball-less as all those eurofag countries

I'd rather have a person who knows the value of freedom (McCain) leading our country. I definitely don't agree with all of McCain's stances, but he does stand firmly behind the military and won't bend over for the UN.

Ok...so much for resistance lol

Well for the most part it is about picking the less of two evils. That seems to be the current attitude with alot of people that I have met at least.
The thing that is unsettling the most to me about politics is the strategy involved to win a seat. It is basically taking the strongest demographics of voters and appeasing to their needs opposed to having the vision to do what is best for the country long term.
To me its as if you fix one kink it just manifests itself in some other form.

As far as voting goes, I think if they had a giveaway of some sort (Every 100,000th voter gets free gas for life) that would definitely get me in the booth.
J/K

Originally posted by Dryzzt23

Damn...now you've got me started. I will resist the incredible temptation to retort

Needless to say I am a staunch Republican and believe that 140+ days of public service does not qualify a person to run the most powerful nation on earth. Plus, the combination of ...the democratic nominee...and a liberal congress run by the bat-like nancy pelosi, whill immediately signal the beginning of the steep decline of the U.S.
It seems like both the dem candidates seem hellbent on neutering the U.S. so that we're as ball-less as all those eurofag countries

I'd rather have a person who knows the value of freedom (McCain) leading our country. I definitely don't agree with all of McCain's stances, but he does stand firmly behind the military and won't bend over for the UN.

Ok...so much for resistance lol

Well, my thing is that you look at the past 8 years and everything that has gone on...

Economy - in the toilet
War - we shouldn't have been in based on their reasoning
Foreign Policy - what foreign policy, America has lost its standing in the world. We use to be a country that was looked up to...A country that others strived to be like. We use to be a model that developing countries followed. Now? Not so much.
Foreign Oil Dependency - We have the means and capabilities by either drilling here or alternative fuels to reduce our dependency on oil, however, the Bush administration has failed in this area so badly that gasoline prices are now at an all time high...(taking inflation, etc in to account)
National Debt - record high
Unemployment - record high
Homeowners - record low

...and the list goes on and on and on...

The number one defense to this, is McCain is not Bush. Well, if that's the case then how do you explain that 95% of Bush's policy were supported by McCain and that 75% of the policies 'Senator' McCain either wrote, co-wrote, or was an avid supporter of are now shot down and denounced by 'Candidate' McCain.

Here's the deal, I like John McCain. Out of all of the Republican candidates, he was the one I wanted most, but with Barack Obama, you might actually see legitimate change. You might actually get that small glimpse of hope, that you don't get from the typical candidate.

The other thing that you constantly hear is that he's not old enough, he doesn't have enough experience. He hasn't been in politics long enough to do the job.

You know what...? Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. Look at where every day politics as usual has gotten us. The highest unemployment rate in years, the lowest amount of home owners in years, a poverty line that shifted from roughly $18,000 per year to nearly $30,000 per year. Food prices, gas prices, energy prices, etc also the highest they have been in decades.

It's time for a change. Regardless of whether you believe the country needs change, it does. Let's put back hope in the American Dream and grant it to all, not the wealthiest of the bunch.

/rant

Economy - in the toilet

Really? Where? Did you know GDP was growing at a record pace last year. Recession? We aren't in one. We are in a slow down yes but we still haven't had 2 consecutive months of negative GDP much less 6 months of negative GDP

National Debt - record high

Well that won't change whoever is in office. If the Gov't stopped spending then it might change but raising taxes isn't the answer.

Unemployment - record high

Really? Where did you get that number? Unemployment has reached it's highest levels since Bush has been in office just recently which last I saw was about 5.5% or so. Might be a little higher. Did you know that the average unemployment rate under Clinton was 5.2% and that was over 8 years.

Homeowners - record low

Oh how I wish it were so! We have seen more houses bought in the last 5 years than in any other time. This is because of prime lending. There's a reason forclosure rates have gone thru the roof. People were irresponsible when buying a house and the mortgage companies were irresponsible when giving loans to these people.

I don't sit around listening to the nightly news and party affiliated groups(dem or repub). I'm big on following wall street and I pay attention to the facts. I prefer to make my own opinions and not listen to other's.

Well my opinion on this is I don't vote for a person because they are Republican or Democrat, I vote for the person who I feel is best qualified & who I think can do the best job which is John McCain.

I agree with Rybread on his points all of this same talk was happening with Clinton in office, but hey im not gonna get in this conversation anymore than I have just voicing my view im not Republican or Democrat I solely vote for the person who is best for the job and has the best beliefs.

Are these two men really the greatest we have to offer?