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SperrytheKid
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We’re one of the worst rushing teams in rookie, and I’m adamant it’s not builds or playcalling. Most rushers in our tier are averaging over 3ypc (many are at 4+) so I know the running is good, but we also keep getting done in by weak animations. We’re an ok rushing team, and even we don’t get a lot of the bs our defense gives.

I’m consistently getting animations like this on defense. Constantly. It doesn’t make sense. We fire shed block & contain expert, but can’t shed blocks. CBs & LBs keep playing the pass like they’re built for it, but on run plays (which they’re actually built for) they’re non-existent. I thought we were ahead of the game with our tackling investments this early, but the returns just goes to show tackling is a completely useless skill.

Screens, we just keep getting bs’d on. I feel like investing in awareness has been meh the last few seasons. Even at the Vet level, some of these killer open builds are (objectively) dookie - there’s no real need for the extra. Pursuit & blitz awareness rolls on the front seven is like pulling the pin on a grenade and waiting for the “right time”.

I don’t think run defense is in a bad spot, but I definitely think the lapses in IQ needs to happen significantly less or we need to see more on the offensive side.
Edited by SperrytheKid on Nov 15, 2023 07:50:27
 
Cybertron
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I noticed you didn't mention the word "tags" in your post?
 
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Originally posted by SperrytheKid
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/34695/1442671

We’re one of the worst rushing teams in rookie, and I’m adamant it’s not builds or playcalling. Most rushers in our tier are averaging over 3ypc (many are at 4+) so I know the running is good, but we also keep getting done in by weak animations. We’re an ok rushing team, and even we don’t get a lot of the bs our defense gives.

I’m consistently getting animations like this on defense. Constantly. It doesn’t make sense. We fire shed block & contain expert, but can’t shed blocks. CBs & LBs keep playing the pass like they’re built for it, but on run plays (which they’re actually built for) they’re non-existent. I thought we were ahead of the game with our tackling investments this early, but the returns just goes to show tackling is a completely useless skill.

Screens, we just keep getting bs’d on. I feel like investing in awareness has been meh the last few seasons. Even at the Vet level, some of these killer open builds are (objectively) dookie - there’s no real need for the extra. Pursuit & blitz awareness rolls on the front seven is like pulling the pin on a grenade and waiting for the “right time”.

I don’t think run defense is in a bad spot, but I definitely think the lapses in IQ needs to happen significantly less or we need to see more on the offensive side.


you keep saying it's not playcalling but I keep telling you it is...stop blitzing so much and you'll see significant run defense improvement
 
agerm73
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I think you can get away with blitzing in Rookie if you call the right plays and use the right builds. Osiris amassed quite a few Rookie Championships that way. Ellix and Kvo have had success with higher tier teams blitzing.
 
HayRow
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Originally posted by agerm73
I think you can get away with blitzing in Rookie if you call the right plays and use the right builds. Osiris amassed quite a few Rookie Championships that way. Ellix and Kvo have had success with higher tier teams blitzing.


how many seasons ago? Blitzing is dead right now because of inside runs and screens

This is also not helping the op, he isn't blitzing the right plays or the right times, just indiscriminate blitzing is a death sentence
Edited by HayRow on Nov 15, 2023 13:07:28
 
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Originally posted by agerm73
I think you can get away with blitzing in Rookie if you call the right plays and use the right builds. Osiris amassed quite a few Rookie Championships that way. Ellix and Kvo have had success with higher tier teams blitzing.


Agree. If you want to blitz, do it in rookie. The offense isn't explosive yet and you can still...kinda...tackle.
 
HayRow
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I don't think any of the top rookie teams are blitzing...you guys are thinking of the past
 
Cybertron
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Originally posted by HayRow
I don't think any of the top rookie teams are blitzing...you guys are thinking of the past


Maybe that is my problem....I'm living in the past....
 
dlcurt
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Currently, it's safer to not blitz vs screen teams unless you have the perfect build set up to counter. Ellix and I have been trying so hard to get this through to people. Blitz, as a whole, is broken.
 
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Originally posted by SperrytheKid
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/34695/1442671

We’re one of the worst rushing teams in rookie, and I’m adamant it’s not builds or playcalling. Most rushers in our tier are averaging over 3ypc (many are at 4+) so I know the running is good, but we also keep getting done in by weak animations. We’re an ok rushing team, and even we don’t get a lot of the bs our defense gives.

I’m consistently getting animations like this on defense. Constantly. It doesn’t make sense. We fire shed block & contain expert, but can’t shed blocks. CBs & LBs keep playing the pass like they’re built for it, but on run plays (which they’re actually built for) they’re non-existent. I thought we were ahead of the game with our tackling investments this early, but the returns just goes to show tackling is a completely useless skill.

Screens, we just keep getting bs’d on. I feel like investing in awareness has been meh the last few seasons. Even at the Vet level, some of these killer open builds are (objectively) dookie - there’s no real need for the extra. Pursuit & blitz awareness rolls on the front seven is like pulling the pin on a grenade and waiting for the “right time”.

I don’t think run defense is in a bad spot, but I definitely think the lapses in IQ needs to happen significantly less or we need to see more on the offensive side.

all four of your defensive linemen on this play have a super tiny sliver of morale left. What's their tough/heart?

Also what's your RDE Nate Gauthier and DT Worm Frost's Blitz Awr?
 
agerm73
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Originally posted by HayRow
how many seasons ago? Blitzing is dead right now because of inside runs and screens

This is also not helping the op, he isn't blitzing the right plays or the right times, just indiscriminate blitzing is a death sentence


I did say the right plays and the right builds in my post.
I am living in the past. A BIG reason why I was considering taking some time off, but now I am motivated to make a blitzing rookie team.
 
HayRow
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Originally posted by dlcurt
Currently, it's safer to not blitz vs screen teams unless you have the perfect build set up to counter. Ellix and I have been trying so hard to get this through to people. Blitz, as a whole, is broken.


I think it could be buffed a bit but it would still be easily countered by screens and inside runs
 
HayRow
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Originally posted by agerm73
I did say the right plays and the right builds in my post.
I am living in the past. A BIG reason why I was considering taking some time off, but now I am motivated to make a blitzing rookie team.


You won't
 
SperrytheKid
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Originally posted by Cybertron
I noticed you didn't mention the word "tags" in your post?


We’ve talked about it before on a different thread. I’m using all pass/run tags.

There’s been zero consistency in performance game to game.
 
SperrytheKid
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Originally posted by HayRow
you keep saying it's not playcalling but I keep telling you it is...stop blitzing so much and you'll see significant run defense improvement


Top 14 rusher in rookie & we probably have taken the most TFLs. Blitzing is nowhere near dead.

It’s either - “blitz and you’ll have better results” or “don’t blitz and you’ll have better results”. Eventually there’ll need to be a general consensus.
 
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