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Aggressive is completely broken, conservative causes multiple awareness fails (watches the runner go by), and balanced is a cluster f**k.

Personally speaking I came from the era where tackling actually worked for the most part. Defense clearly doesn’t work how one would think it would, but mostly all the work that needs to be done being on the defensive end shows that it’s not in a great spot right now (although one could argue that defense is also sh*t in real life).

Vet feels much more college-y these days. The emphasis being on double/triple teams (and somehow still getting beat) seems to show that many people do not trust defense.

I don’t know what happened to pursuit, but that should be the biggest priority this offseason.

I mean pursuit angles haven't been touched for like 6 years. I don't know why it seems broken now.

I havent seen any major issues with it when I was in vet

Originally posted by TyDavis315
Aggressive is completely broken, conservative causes multiple awareness fails (watches the runner go by), and balanced is a cluster f**k.

Personally speaking I came from the era where tackling actually worked for the most part. Defense clearly doesn’t work how one would think it would, but mostly all the work that needs to be done being on the defensive end shows that it’s not in a great spot right now (although one could argue that defense is also sh*t in real life).

Vet feels much more college-y these days. The emphasis being on double/triple teams (and somehow still getting beat) seems to show that many people do not trust defense.

I don’t know what happened to pursuit, but that should be the biggest priority this offseason.

could you show us what you are even talking about.

Hmm maybe it’s balance and snap reaction now then, or a collection of a few other things as well?

I don’t know much about other builds so I’ve been looking at it based on a physicals standpoint (and by my own testing as well). It seems that you need elite speed now to even keep up. The difference in how LBs and safeties attack the ball seems much worse since the balance change. I will say linemen and CBs seem a lot better against the run now, but it just seems a bit weird that safeties and LBs attack the ball so weird.

Angles are a lot more terrible based on what I’m seeing, but since everyone is already used to HBs dominating there isn’t much notice. That, and many of the better guys already utilize uber fast LBs which can make up for it.

If you had a HB with pure physicals and little rushing skills, I’m likely we’d see the same production from them. I actually had that through pro and he was bouncing out on inside runs like it was nothing (surefoot is an evil SA) so I could only imagine what a finished version would do (SAs for HBs need to be severely nerfed btw).

Just seems that all the changes in the game have benefited running and has stretched the points needed to build a decent defense. We strayed away from the super overpowered score lines for a while, but we’re drifting right back to them. Sure QBs being super meh (based on the current NFL this might be the most realistic thing in the game) might offset that a bit, but if they even get a little bit of love (for god sake why do they only lead inaccurate passes and everything else is meh, is it wind.. what are we missing here) then we’re going back to 112+ games almost immediately.

Defense is working fine for both zone and man. Both are effective in different ways. Really just comes down to your player builds.

Originally posted by dlcurt
Defense is working fine for both zone and man. Both are effective in different ways. Really just comes down to your player builds.


Zone feeds off of unrealistic factors to take advantage of the current sim and man teams mostly play 2 deep and double coverages because anything else would not work out as well.

This argument is kinda tired. No one is saying that defense is bad, what I’m saying is that there is a distinct difference between fundamentals of a good offense and the fundamentals of a good defense. I would be open to a broader line of thinking if everyone wasn’t running the exact same plays since the scout tool came into fruition.

Originally posted by dredgar
could you show us what you are even talking about.

If you play 2 deep safeties then you most likely won’t have that big of a problem. I run safety blitzes, inside zone safety, and deep safety. Safety pursuit from the middle of the field is okay, but the angles they take are typically not reflective of their tactics (aggressive works beautifully on inside, but for some reason they don’t react the same to outside runs. Puts them in a more leaned conservative state which can be harmful). Blitzing safeties leaves LBs in a weird conservative state regardless of their tactics, the speed difference is much more clear when conservative so it’s not a very good look.

I mean, I will say that the game will almost always lean more towards offense than defense. Based on strong feedback in the past that people have made abundantly clear, they'd rather see 50 to 40 scores than 7 to 0 scores.

At the end of the day, your defense doesn't have to win more than the opponent's offense. Your defense needs to win more than the opponent's defense.

Originally posted by Corndog
I mean, I will say that the game will almost always lean more towards offense than defense. Based on strong feedback in the past that people have made abundantly clear, they'd rather see 50 to 40 scores than 7 to 0 scores.

At the end of the day, your defense doesn't have to win more than the opponent's offense. Your defense needs to win more than the opponent's defense.

FACTS

Originally posted by Corndog
I mean, I will say that the game will almost always lean more towards offense than defense. Based on strong feedback in the past that people have made abundantly clear, they'd rather see 50 to 40 scores than 7 to 0 scores.

At the end of the day, your defense doesn't have to win more than the opponent's offense. Your defense needs to win more than the opponent's defense.

I liked that one season of defense, lol...

But I would say I'd like to see scores more like 31 to 21 than the 50+ we have now. A little defense buff would be great.

Defense is OP in rookie and remains solid until vet. When's the last time you've given up 50?

Boss, I do not think that legends like you and Myrik are good measuring sticks neither are new, inexperienced coach/owners. I think owner/coaches in the middle of the pack are better measuring sticks. I am not saying the Myrik and your opinions do not matter. I bet that both of you have not let up 50 in a while but I bet you out score your share of new, inexperienced coaches by 50.

Originally posted by o The Boss x
Defense is OP in rookie and remains solid until vet. When's the last time you've given up 50?

Not trying to be arrogant, but that was pretty funny

Like Agerm said, I was referring to the main body of coaches... you and I have been at this a long time.

I will say, that to do my defense I have to put upteen stars on defense so they have enough points to be versatile and play the way I need them to. I can't tell you the last time I could afford a S*QB, lol.

Maybe I was the one being arrogant, I don't know if you're using the word right there... Maybe I need a reference to look at

Where are all the new inexperienced coaches you speak of? All I'm saying is that when I look at your comment then go to your team all I see is 31 to 21 games and lower. I thought it was pretty funny the guy with the meta defense wants a defense buff.

I don't see how buffing defense is going to help new users, it's going to help everyone's defenses... and most starting players create/like offense more anyway

Originally posted by agerm73
Boss, I do not think that legends like you and Myrik are good measuring sticks neither are new, inexperienced coach/owners. I think owner/coaches in the middle of the pack are better measuring sticks. I am not saying the Myrik and your opinions do not matter. I bet that both of you have not let up 50 in a while but I bet you out score your share of new, inexperienced coaches by 50.

What teams should I be looking at? And what difference does it make if the team originally losing 42-20 now loses 22-0?

Maybe it's just me but I'd rather put up some points (and I tend to like defense more like Myrik too)