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Is Juke truly worth using ?
Since i think it might slightly takes away from the ability of the player and does it really do something important enough ?
Since i have always considered it a go to for HB but now i'm not so sure Specially after this build i found and soon to test out next season
in comparison to other abilities this one screw with your HB's running and i'm starting to think for elusive HB it does more harm them good. so i'm really trying to think this through before the end of this season to figure out if its really worth while since to the looks to me it causes more harm then good since how many times have you seen it put you through to get a TD compared to putting you out of bounds or into a tackle or messing up a chance to run through their defense ? Like i'm trying to think for a top class HB

The pursuit mechanics have been upended since last year, juke seems to be quite a bit better now as it is one of the few things that still is really good at shaking pursuing defenders.

I was very much on this train up until the change, now seeing rookie where juke hasn't come in yet and the massive disparity in how defenders just stifle the run in comparison with years past - not so sure I'm ready to jump off the juke train yet.

But that's just my opinion - the move does seem to get you in trouble a lot too - but the changes also seem to be making juke more selective in not getting you in trouble, so it's kind of 2-part in my dissuasion from this stance once before.


Edit: pursuit appears to be under tweaking still, as pathing was sub-optimal in the couple games I've seen since rollover - and even in rookie pickup since the start of the season it seemed like everyone was pursuing like a vet with 90 in it to the outside. Not sure what that was about, but the pursuit still seems better than last year so - eh.

Juke is great for combo backs, pretty meh for elusive backs.

Really good elusive backs have the subtle juke factor already. I like stiff arm over juke. Accentuates any back type and can be a great force on one on potential break aways

I dunno, I felt like it was pretty good before the recent nerf outside of the occasional odd backfield juke and such... right now I'm on the fence, it kinda feels nerfed.

Yeah i agree i'm on fence with it as well since with elusive backs i'm starting to feel it ruins their ability to turn and dodge the defenders so

TyDavis315 i have also heard that elusive backs with no power running don't use stiff arm that well if at all so if you think otherwise and have proof please let me see it

my thing on juke is it fires behind the line too much an not enough when u on the edge vs one defender if they nerfed it a bit which they have it should fire more on the outside than it does frustrates me cause i love an elusive back but outside runnin has been nerfed a bit an totally agree MYRICK

My understanding is that in the upper tiers it screws you over a lot and would ruin plays that would otherwise have been big yard gainers by juking out of bounds or juking right after a handoff in the backfield among other things.

if u have it set to elusive then yeah it can if at slippery or combo not as much

Originally posted by 4chanCitizen
My understanding is that in the upper tiers it screws you over a lot and would ruin plays that would otherwise have been big yard gainers by juking out of bounds or juking right after a handoff in the backfield among other things.

We are a victim to a lot of this. Just converting on third and one is a challenge.

Originally posted by mkeane2


TyDavis315 i have also heard that elusive backs with no power running don't use stiff arm that well if at all so if you think otherwise and have proof please let me see it

Stiff Arm says it is powered by Carrying Awareness so I'd guess that power running shouldn't affect it.

Originally posted by bmg_3
Stiff Arm says it is powered by Carrying Awareness so I'd guess that power running shouldn't affect it.

However, I think you need Power Rushing to keep the half back from falling over when he uses it... I'd love for the devs to clarify it.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
However, I think you need Power Rushing to keep the half back from falling over when he uses it... I'd love for the devs to clarify it.

I've done testing to this end, stiff arm without at least ~50 power rushing just fails, even with high balance and awareness. You used to be able to get it to fire sporadically at 35... but since the last test I did on it, 50 was a pretty hard minimum to see it fire successfully - and even that wouldn't do it often.

Originally posted by Raid
I've done testing to this end, stiff arm without at least ~50 power rushing just fails, even with high balance and awareness. You used to be able to get it to fire sporadically at 35... but since the last test I did on it, 50 was a pretty hard minimum to see it fire successfully - and even that wouldn't do it often.


Stiff arm sounds like garbage. I've never used it before or even been on a team that uses it. Honestly, I've never had it used against me in game. Probably because most of my coaching experience it at the lower tiers. Is it actually good?

Originally posted by 4chanCitizen
Stiff arm sounds like garbage. I've never used it before or even been on a team that uses it. Honestly, I've never had it used against me in game. Probably because most of my coaching experience it at the lower tiers.

Stiff arm can be super nasty on power backs! When it fires, tackling defenders drop like flies often. Just doesn't have the ability to fire on any tackling interaction.

Originally posted by Raid
I've done testing to this end, stiff arm without at least ~50 power rushing just fails, even with high balance and awareness. You used to be able to get it to fire sporadically at 35... but since the last test I did on it, 50 was a pretty hard minimum to see it fire successfully - and even that wouldn't do it often.




Do you mean carry awareness there Raid? Stiff arm firing rate is governed by carry awareness... It could also be the playcalling possibly? Stiff arm requires side tackle attempts by defenders. This obviously has a greater chance to occur on outside runs when the HB is trying to get to the edge and a LB or Safety tries to hit him from the side. Other than that, on inside runs you HB has to turn, or get past defenders to bring on the side tackle attempts. Doesn't happen as often on inside runs. However, power HBs have the luxury of dragging defenders a bit and second defenders can come from any direction which maybe allows Stiff Arm to fire there.

Either way, it should be firing for any back a fair amount depending on what side they are being tackled from.