Warrior General Games

I know it's obvious what Receiving Hands does. It prevents drops. But does it even figure in, when well covered?

What I'm wondering is whether when catching a pass with "nearby defense," whether a Receiving Hands roll is made and only then if you could catch it if wide open, then CiT is checked to see if you can catch the ball when covered well. That's how I'd do it, if I'd designed the game. But I didn't, and I don't know how it actually works.

Right now, and this may have been different before recent changes that from what I read made defensive man coverage significantly better, I think most of the time there's enough nearby defense to cause a CiT roll. But does Receiving Hands even matter if it's in traffic, or is that all CiT?

That even affects the balance between the Soft Hands and Nerves of Steel traits, because Nerves of Steel is always better if Receiving Hands is not checked in an in traffic situation. It may well be anyway, actually. But if both are checked when in traffic, even though the CiT roll is harder, then hands make more difference than I thought and, in fact, I may have underrated them in designing my receivers.

Does anyone give higher RH than CiT, which might imply using Soft Hands sometimes? Or is CiT clearly the more important of the two, as I've been thinking?

I don't think it is just one roll.

QB rolls for a bad pass, then has a bunch of modifiers on how easy it is to catch and intercept.

Then defense rolls to do their things.

Then reciever rolls CiT.

then reciever rolls to catch.

There there is more things like not fall down and stuff.

Originally posted by moghedan
I don't think it is just one roll.

QB rolls for a bad pass, then has a bunch of modifiers on how easy it is to catch and intercept.

Then defense rolls to do their things.

Then reciever rolls CiT.

then reciever rolls to catch.

There there is more things like not fall down and stuff.

I think Consistancy for both the QB and reciever is pretty important. Route elusiveness is a waste of sp and Im starting to think route tech is too to a point. I havent tested it yet but Im going to with a pickup player over the next week or two. If someone already has Id be interested to here your findings.

I think Consistency on both the QB and the WR is important as far as cutting back on penalties on big downs/plays.

Back to what I asked, though, which maybe I should have worded differently, such as: Does Receiving Hands help prevent the "failed to secure...nearby defense" message, less importantly than CiT, but nevertheless somewhat? Or is it only useful to prevent outright drops?

Originally posted by Nyria
Back to what I asked, though, which maybe I should have worded differently, such as: Does Receiving Hands help prevent the "failed to secure...nearby defense" message, less importantly than CiT, but nevertheless somewhat? Or is it only useful to prevent outright drops?

Failed to Secure due to nearby Defense is CIT. Receiving Hands is the ability to catch an incoming pass and also still maintain speed while doing so think.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Failed to Secure due to nearby Defense is CIT. Receiving Hands is the ability to catch an incoming pass and also still maintain speed while doing so think.

So does everyone then prioritize CiT over Receiving Hands? My receivers all have higher CiT than RH and get many more "failed to secure" than drops (I'm sure drops are RH, along with the other factors like consistency). Is the "Soft Hands" trait close to worthless and "Nerves of Steel" a much better option? That's actually how I've been building, but I almost hoped that there was more balance in the usefulness of the two skills that cost about the same amount.

I prioritize CIT, just because I think it's harder to get separation. But I don't think Hands can be neglected, such that one is vastly more important. I expect hands would be more important on WRs running routes that get them separation, like hooks, or pure speed guys.

I think what kind of offense you're in ends up making the difference on which should be higher?

My S* WR already has high CiT and RH, sacrificing top speed and other traits in the hopes he would be a consistent possession type target. I'm having the same issues with drops and "nearby defender" messages as everyone else. He's below 50% rec and some games he's the worst player on the field. Its frustrating to watch, and I'm sure my OC can attest to our many conversations about why my WR sucks so bad! We're still rookie so my only hope is he'll keep getting better and become a force in later tiers....

Whoever figures this out should bottle and sell the info and make a million bucks!

Currently passing is in favor of CB's which is why so many WR are struggling. I run possession builds on my WRs and TEs (50 to 60 speed, 80 to 90 hands/CIT/Rec Consist)...all my guys are at 50% or a little better except for my TE who is doing pretty well.

Originally posted by Butler053
My S* WR already has high CiT and RH, sacrificing top speed and other traits in the hopes he would be a consistent possession type target. I'm having the same issues with drops and "nearby defender" messages as everyone else. He's below 50% rec and some games he's the worst player on the field. Its frustrating to watch, and I'm sure my OC can attest to our many conversations about why my WR sucks so bad! We're still rookie so my only hope is he'll keep getting better and become a force in later tiers....

Whoever figures this out should bottle and sell the info and make a million bucks!

I'm pretty sure I know why but you can't honestly expect me to answer

Is receiving grip pretty worthless?

I don't think it's worthless, but I don't think it needs to be super high either for WRs.

When I've kept it basically untouched, I definitely noticed more balls getting knocked loose than compared to other receivers who had better grip. Especially so in rain games where grip is impacted.

My S* WR 132/248 catching, 3 drops on the year. High speed and even hands and CiT and consistency. Sounds like nothing works well

Originally posted by Bretto007
Is receiving grip pretty worthless?

I take it to 50 and normally thats been decent enough vs KL