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so jeter http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/204362 will finish off 14th on HOF?

statistically he has the 2nd most rushing yards ever and im too lazy to count the TDs but probably 2nd or 3rd in that as well. guys like trogdor, barry, and hammered finished top 5/top 10 just a 2 or 3 seasons ago with similar or lesser careers, so apparently ST is weighted significantly higher than pure rushing stats and TDs?

im aware theres some crazy "balancing" for older players (imani cross wouldnt belong in the top 25 anymore let alone like #4) but im strictly comparing to recent players who finished their careers within the past 2-3 seasons. doesnt seem to make sense how someone can finish #2 all time with over 100k+ rushing yards and thousands of TDs and barely crack the top 15 or am i just biased? lol

Nope he should be higher...HoF is all the broken.

Been like this for a while. Barry and Trog are under-ranked too on the list. Basically all early players have some ridiculous ELO advantage over recent ones. Just look at HOF by tier and you'll see a player like Denali only at #26 all-time for Journeyman.....at the QB position, lol. How is that possible?

Now may be the best time to fix this since tiers are being restructured. Not saying ELO shouldn't be a factor at all, but it has to be balanced somehow because right now older players get a 50%-80% stats advantage over recent ones.

personally, i am fine with the "buffer zone" balancing for older retired players, obviously aside from GL sweeps yards were harder to come by in those days (esp. rushing yards pre-counter run buff) however i do think the balancing may be too strong. for example imani cross only had 45k total rushing yard and retired around season 10. should he really be ranked #4 or #5 and over an HB who retired 10 seasons later and more than doubled his yard total? probably not, however, jimbo with 75k and much more TDs should be due to retain his position.

my issue is that recent players (who also may be under-ranked) are ranked so much higher than jeter with literally the only difference being 2-3 seasons and in some cases ST play. should ST really be weighted that highly on MVP rankings? isn't that the reason there is an entirely separate category for STs? offensive MVP should be offensive stats only, ST exempt and only applied to ST MVP rankings

ST's doesn't count for offensive rankings.

Trogdor sits 5 spots ahead of Jeter.

Some things to think about.

1. Broken Tackles - How do these weigh in to the HoF account? I feel as though they are and maybe a bit too much making it hard for more elusive guys to overtake the power backs.

2. Receiving yards/TD's - I think one would obviously say that receiving yards/TD's are weighted a bit higher than rushing yards. So despite Trogdor finishing with about 13,000 less rushing yards and a little over 100 less rushing TD's, he makes it up with nearly 6,000 more receiving yards and 88 more receiving TD's.

Not sure if Fumbles or anything even has any weight whatsoever?

Originally posted by bhall43
Not sure if Fumbles or anything even has any weight whatsoever?

I think they do.

Some positions have bigger issues than others. Take OL. Run blocking was so dominant still in S8, but then got nerfed significantly at around S10, so cakes became much much harder to come by. FBs since can't do what Honky Tonk did.

Play calling has changed so much with screens and such now at play that CBs are having very different stats. Very hard to compare them to CBs of previous seasons.

I have looked at kickers and the criteria for HoF ranking is even more confusing.

In conlusion, maybe HoF ranking should be based more on how much more dominant the players were than others playing their position at the time than trying to compare them to players of a different era.

Originally posted by bhall43
Trogdor sits 5 spots ahead of Jeter.

Some things to think about.

1. Broken Tackles - How do these weigh in to the HoF account? I feel as though they are and maybe a bit too much making it hard for more elusive guys to overtake the power backs.

2. Receiving yards/TD's - I think one would obviously say that receiving yards/TD's are weighted a bit higher than rushing yards. So despite Trogdor finishing with about 13,000 less rushing yards and a little over 100 less rushing TD's, he makes it up with nearly 6,000 more receiving yards and 88 more receiving TD's.

1) Broken tackles are overvalued in rankings, almost as bad as the older player ELO issue. I noticed this when Tecmo Russell would have more total yards and TDs than RBs, but still be ranked behind. Elusive rushers get shorted quite a bit.

2) Yep, receiving yards/TDs help alot, though rarely do you see a WR/TE high in the rankings. David's scatabck used to do well despite not being a heavy rusher.

No game is broken threads

Originally posted by bhall43
Trogdor sits 5 spots ahead of Jeter.

Some things to think about.

1. Broken Tackles - How do these weigh in to the HoF account? I feel as though they are and maybe a bit too much making it hard for more elusive guys to overtake the power backs.

2. Receiving yards/TD's - I think one would obviously say that receiving yards/TD's are weighted a bit higher than rushing yards. So despite Trogdor finishing with about 13,000 less rushing yards and a little over 100 less rushing TD's, he makes it up with nearly 6,000 more receiving yards and 88 more receiving TD's.

IMO broken tackles shouldnt be weighted at all really towards the statistics. if an HB can have a 10k rushing yard season but did it with only 200 broken tackles but another HB had a 7.5k rushing yard season and 600 broken tackles, who cares if he broke 3x more tackles if he got 25% less yards? should the other back be penalized because he was able to have better vision or playcalling, etc, and put up more yards with less broken tackles?

at the end of the day the only thing that matters is the total yards and amount of TDs in my opinion, everything else is situational and should not factor in. that would bridge the gap between elu and power HBs in the HOF rankings as well

Originally posted by Sov.

at the end of the day the only thing that matters is the total yards and amount of TDs in my opinion, everything else is situational and should not factor in. that would bridge the gap between elu and power HBs in the HOF rankings as well
Total yards doesn't take into account efficiency though. A player who rushes 20 times for 300 yards, 3 TDs, is playing better than a RB who rushes 40 times for 310 yards, 3 TDs. Maybe use ypc as a multiplier with total yards when calculating a ranking number

This problem is across many positions though. Defensive is really off. Not sure what realistic solution there is to the rankings outside of someone coming up with a whole new set of formulas(like maybe a community project).

It is tough. Would be nice to go by efficiency in yards and tds with a small amount of ELO. Not much ELO though but a tiny amount to make up for stat whores in bad leagues.

Originally posted by BoDiddley

Total yards doesn't take into account efficiency though. A player who rushes 20 times for 300 yards, 3 TDs, is playing better than a RB who rushes 40 times for 310 yards, 3 TDs. Maybe use ypc as a multiplier with total yards when calculating a ranking number


The high ypc guys often have a lot of TFLs. I don't think HBs should be penalized for not having tons of risky home runs called. Base hits are important too, at least for me. The guys that runs 40 times eats the clock.

I agree with Sov "only thing that matters is the total yards and amount of TDs". This universally accounts for many different running schemes.

Originally posted by _OSIRIS_
The high ypc guys often have a lot of TFLs. I don't think HBs should be penalized for not having tons of risky home runs called. Base hits are important too, at least for me. The guys that runs 40 times eats the clock.

I agree with Sov "only thing that matters is the total yards and amount of TDs". This universally accounts for many different running schemes.

I've seen HBs who rush nearly every down and rack up yards, but have poor ypc, and are on teams that struggle offensively. Pretty much every great GLB2 RB had high ypc, from Barry to Trog, to Jeter, and so on. TFLs is more about using lots of counters.

Simply put, a team only has so many plays per game, so efficiency is huge. If I can give a RB 20 carries and net 300 yards, that means I can also give 30-40 possessions(typical game) to other plays. However, if I'm giving 40 carries to a RB and netting 310 yards, then I can only give around 10-20 possessions. Clearly, one would rather have 300 yards and another 40 plays as opposed to 310 yards and just 20 left for passes and other runs. A team like Vape is so good because Rashard gives them 10.2 ypc, and their QB throws for 8.1 YPA. Conversely....Empire's offensive has been really bad because Drago 2.0 is at 5.2 ypc and Cobra Commander is at 4.6 ypc.