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Even if you have decent tackling skills and good conditioning, let's say 80 for both power tacking and tackling technique and 60 conditioning, would low defensive consistency cause an uptick of missed tackles? Would higher consistency cause less missed tackles?

I've played around with a good bit of variables to understand missed tackles. It seems speed, tackling ability, conditioning, toughness all are in play, but I've seen players with good numbers in these still miss tackles regularly, so I'm wondering if what I'm overlooking is consistency.

I think Tackle Grip has a lot to do with it too. But it depends on what angle the tackle is coming from. From in front, power tackle + tack tech; from the back, tackle grip + tack tech; from the side, tackle grip + power tack + tack tech...I think. Stamina and morale help too.

I think consistency is limited on when it effects the skills. Like on 3rd down or late in the game/half.

Even Silver death grip makes a huge difference. I imagine Brick Wall would help as much or more

I find that the more I invest in tackling skills, the more missed tackles that player has. It's perverse. Naturally, those players who have the high tacklin are being used often, because they've got high tackling and that is presumably a useful feature in a defensive footballer, and it could just be that they are on the field more than other defenders and the higher snap count = higher missed tackles. Could be. It could also be that those I've built to be sure tacklers have Monster Hit SA and the attempt to smash the ball carrier results in more missed tackles. For a while, it was mooted that Balance was necessary to win the tackle rolls, so I built LBs with high balance too. They still missed more tackles than anyone else on the team.

What I've not tried is Death Grip. All in all, there are many things being matched in the tackling interaction, I don't think Consistency matters unless it's 3rd or 4th down, so I wouldn't automatically link it to the missed tackle count on a player. I do think that Def Consistency matters though.

Adding to tackling skills often (in my opinion) increases your tackle radius - getting you to try tackles you wouldn't otherwise even try - which includes some 'long shot' style tackles. I think (and I believe this was confirmed by Corndog at some point) that diving also increases your tackle radius (which would lead to more attempts and more misses on long shot tackles).


My opinion on defensive consistency is that it raises the lowest possible roll bar - kind of like "any roll is guaranteed to be at least 30% of the maximum roll" or whatever that we see on some SA's - I think that is what consistency does -- raise the bar to some degree.


All of this is just my opinion - and I cannot prove any of it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The diving statement is true.

Originally posted by Mysterio
Even Silver death grip makes a huge difference. I imagine Brick Wall would help as much or more

it definitely seems to from what i have seen.

Originally posted by TxSteve
Adding to tackling skills often (in my opinion) increases your tackle radius - getting you to try tackles you wouldn't otherwise even try - which includes some 'long shot' style tackles. I think (and I believe this was confirmed by Corndog at some point) that diving also increases your tackle radius (which would lead to more attempts and more misses on long shot tackles).


My opinion on defensive consistency is that it raises the lowest possible roll bar - kind of like "any roll is guaranteed to be at least 30% of the maximum roll" or whatever that we see on some SA's - I think that is what consistency does -- raise the bar to some degree.


All of this is just my opinion - and I cannot prove any of it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

absolutely agreed here with steve.

also i would like to throw the intimidation skill into the mix as it hasn't been brought up yet. the high addition of intimidation and toughness over the last season has changed my team dramatically along with the brick wall SA.

Good input everyone.

Fatigued players and players with low morale are almost guaranteed to miss tackles frequently. The investment in heart may be what I'm overlooking for players with less than ideal conditioning and toughness, and for players with enough toughness and conditioning I'm still not sure what's going on there. Maybe the tackling skills are not high enough.

I have a DT with 100 intimidation to test its effects, he rarely falls down and gets a ton of rev cakes, but he doesn't make many plays because of all the points invested into intimidation that could have been put into the playmaking skills.

Defintally cant leave tackling grip out idealy i would want 70+ on all tackling sk8lls from an mlb

Originally posted by bhall43
absolutely agreed here with steve.

also i would like to throw the intimidation skill into the mix as it hasn't been brought up yet. the high addition of intimidation and toughness over the last season has changed my team dramatically along with the brick wall SA.

Interestinger and interestinger.

Originally posted by TxSteve
Adding to tackling skills often (in my opinion) increases your tackle radius - getting you to try tackles you wouldn't otherwise even try - which includes some 'long shot' style tackles. I think (and I believe this was confirmed by Corndog at some point) that diving also increases your tackle radius (which would lead to more attempts and more misses on long shot tackles).

I think so as well.


Originally posted by TxSteve
My opinion on defensive consistency is that it raises the lowest possible roll bar - kind of like "any roll is guaranteed to be at least 30% of the maximum roll" or whatever that we see on some SA's - I think that is what consistency does -- raise the bar to some degree.

I don't think this is what happens. Consistency is important, but I've had extremely high consistency on some players and I didn't get this impression.

I agree with Zero. If it was the floor of a roll, it would be much more expensive. It is a very cheap skill.

Maybe there is a debuff for pressure downs and consistency lessens the overall debuff. That would also make sense. I have not been overly impressed by consistency personally so I do not tend to put a ton of stock in the skill.

Edit: I mean defensively. Offensively for pass catchers I am a fairly big fan of rec consistency.

I can certainly see differences in cretain coverage consistency when you build it up. That being said it's a super cheap skill so it's hard to read much into it.

Originally posted by Detroit Leos
Maybe there is a debuff for pressure downs and consistency lessens the overall debuff.

That is my understanding of the skill. It may also put in a minimum roll type deal too, but I've never seen any evidence of that.