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With changes to QB movement during a play, I've been interested to see if maybe it's worth it on a traditional pocket passer to invest a few points into his movement stats. I'm not talking about a quarterback that is designed for rushing, just an athletic pocket passer. Has anyone played around with this yet? Is, say, 25/25/25 speed/quick/FW worth the point investment, or are you still better served with putting the SP into your passing stats and maybe extra awareness? Why or why not?

I'd like to see any examples anyone has of an athletic passer. We're talking less Russell Wilson, and more.... Aaron Rodgers?

I've got a pickup QB with no quickness, but 45ish Footwork and Speed. He's set to Sometimes rollout and Sometimes scramble. Might switch to Frequently rollout to see what that does.

He does a fairly good job avoiding pressure from a lone side, however if pressure comes from both sides he'll get sacked a lot due to extra movement he'll sometimes avoid one and move quickly into the other. He has on occasion bought enough time against a single free rusher to get a throw off, but that's still hard since Footwork sidestep speed doesn't seem that fast in comparison.

I got my QB up to about 30 Footwork by Sophomore. He's around 40 now, with a very small investment in Sprinting and Quickness (still under 20 on those). He's still set to "almost never" roll out, but from when I started putting it in I saw the Footwork help him avoid pass rushers. I've seen other QB's whose stats I knew with similar Pocket Awareness but very low Footwork not able to avoid them as he has. In fact, I wonder how much Pocket Awareness can help if a QB is really immobile.

He's now in Pro and the blitzers have become fast enough his Footwork doesn't help him as much as it used to. He used to usually get away and get a pass off unless rushers got through on both sides, and now he more often gets caught even by one man. I think if I got it up to 50+ or something he'd probably get away more often again, though I don't know if I want to invest the points to do that. I invested a tiny bit in Sprinting out of the concept that perhaps his top speed (Sprinting) influences his speed when shuffling using Footwork (as it could be some percentage of that speed), but on that I have no idea as to whether it actually works. It is clear from my experience that Footwork helps to get away from pass rushers, though.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
I've got a pickup QB with no quickness, but 45ish Footwork and Speed. He's set to Sometimes rollout and Sometimes scramble. Might switch to Frequently rollout to see what that does.

He does a fairly good job avoiding pressure from a lone side, however if pressure comes from both sides he'll get sacked a lot due to extra movement he'll sometimes avoid one and move quickly into the other. He has on occasion bought enough time against a single free rusher to get a throw off, but that's still hard since Footwork sidestep speed doesn't seem that fast in comparison.

I've yet to coach a vet team, so I'm not sure how heavy of blitzing to expect on pass plays. However it seems like at earlier tiers, this is just asking for trouble. That's ok though, we might have to try putting a little bit of movement into our QB at vet, when we can still respec out of it.

Originally posted by Nyria
I got my QB up to about 30 Footwork by Sophomore. He's around 40 now, with a very small investment in Sprinting and Quickness (still under 20 on those). He's still set to "almost never" roll out, but from when I started putting it in I saw the Footwork help him avoid pass rushers. I've seen other QB's whose stats I knew with similar Pocket Awareness but very low Footwork not able to avoid them as he has. In fact, I wonder how much Pocket Awareness can help if a QB is really immobile.

He's now in Pro and the blitzers have become fast enough his Footwork doesn't help him as much as it used to. He used to usually get away and get a pass off unless rushers got through on both sides, and now he more often gets caught even by one man. I think if I got it up to 50+ or something he'd probably get away more often again, though I don't know if I want to invest the points to do that. I invested a tiny bit in Sprinting out of the concept that perhaps his top speed (Sprinting) influences his speed when shuffling using Footwork (as it could be some percentage of that speed), but on that I have no idea as to whether it actually works. It is clear from my experience that Footwork helps to get away from pass rushers, though.


Yeah, 50+ footwork and pumping speed seems like it's getting too expensive. Maybe we'll try doing a bit of footwork at a time and see if there's any positive results.

Do you guys feel like speed is involved a lot in pocket movement, or just footwork?

I would say footwork is most important, then sprinting. Quickness isn't worth the SP in this scenario imo.

Just the way certain things are phrased in the changelog, I don't think sprinting is going to do anything until the QB tucks and runs basically. So if you just want him to dance in the pocket or roll out but still throw, maybe no sprinting at all. It's not exactly a cheap skill to mess around with.

I guess put another way, footwork for pocket movement and the roll out setting. Sprinting for the scramble setting.

50/50 Footwork + Pocket Awareness are what you're looking for. If you're going for a Aaron Rodgers/Steve Young build, I would invest in around 40 sprinting/25 quickness, so you can do occasional QB runs and take advantage of over-blitzing defenses.

Originally posted by Nyria
In fact, I wonder how much Pocket Awareness can help if a QB is really immobile.



IMO people only really invest in pocket awareness for the On The Run SA...I wouldn't invest in pocket awareness if I wasn't taking that SA

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
I've got a pickup QB with no quickness, but 45ish Footwork and Speed. He's set to Sometimes rollout and Sometimes scramble. Might switch to Frequently rollout to see what that does.

He does a fairly good job avoiding pressure from a lone side, however if pressure comes from both sides he'll get sacked a lot due to extra movement he'll sometimes avoid one and move quickly into the other. He has on occasion bought enough time against a single free rusher to get a throw off, but that's still hard since Footwork sidestep speed doesn't seem that fast in comparison.

Quickness helps. Skeletor is pretty agile in the pocket and usually escapes or gets his pass off. Footwork + quickness is key.

Skeletor will end with 70 sprint, 60 quickness, 55 footwork and 70 pocket awareness so you can check out his end game scrambling ability.

I've built my QBs with high footwork as its essential to buy time. Having 'On the run' also helps to make sure the pressure doesn't affect the throw. It's very effective, and can help turn the tides against heavy blitzes. a little pocket awareness and he was leading blitzers to blockers with his movement and buying even more time... which he needed because his receivers were all low quickness and possession types who didn't get separation easily.

Footwork is relatively cheap too, made for a great payoff with little investment overall.

I'm going to compare Skeletor's sack to attempts ratio with other top QBs. Also his hurry to sack ratio.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
I'm going to compare Skeletor's sack to attempts ratio with other top QBs. Also his hurry to sack ratio.

Thanks buddy. Your expertise is much appreciated.

These are the QBs for the top 5 teams in seasoned, compared to Skeletor. Looks like Skeletor gets sacked the least amount per hurry and/or pass attempt. I bolded the percentages cause the formatting sucks on this board.



Sacks| Attempts |Hurries |Sacks per Attempts |Sacks per Hurries
Skeletor 6 200 29 3% 21%
Ron Mexico 16 408 32 4% 50%
Rebel Yell 23 338 43 7% 53%
Joe Vaccaro 17 303 38 6% 45%
Russell Wilson 3 115 12 3% 25%
Marcus Mariota 21 197 45 11% 47%
Bryce Morris 23 346 35 7% 66%

Footwork and Pocket Awareness at work:

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/282320/1258859