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Has anyone successfully managed to build a passing defense based on just utilizing power tackling, strip technique, etc and knocking the ball loose (and of course depleting receivers as the game progresses) rather than by the typical deflection method?

Obviously this applies to rookie ball and lower levels which would give you time to build your D up anyway.

Originally posted by Maskdman3
Has anyone successfully managed to build a passing defense based on just utilizing power tackling, strip technique, etc and knocking the ball loose (and of course depleting receivers as the game progresses) rather than by the typical deflection method?

Obviously this applies to rookie ball and lower levels which would give you time to build your D up anyway.

Rhode Island Falcons has 5 Cornerbacks I built with 64 power tackling, 62 strip technique, and Gold Monster Hit (all 5 identically built).

15 combined forced fumbles in 25 games so far this season. 48.5% receptions allowed. They're very, very modest coverage corners IMO. I'm not sure 0.6 fumbles per game was worthwhile.

They'll presumably get better in coverage with planned end-build investments, but not any more than the receivers they're dealing with will improve in their own skills.

It's possible to push both Strip Tech and Power Tackling into the 70s on a CB without overly gimping them perhaps, but I don't know that it's terribly useful to do so. Perhaps there's a threshold there that can be crossed where you finally begin to regularly crush typically light carrying grip WRs? I know I didn't hit it with both skills in the lower 60s.

Might be useful for someone using Stobie's scouting tool to see if Rhode Island Falcons have a higher KL% than a typical defense. I didn't think to check that out myself.

So did some analysis.

Air Raid
1478 Passes
9 INT - 0.6%
33 KL - 2.2%
166 PD - 11.23%

Drinkin
1226 Passes
15 INT - 1.2%
26 KL - 2.1%
119 PD - 9.7%

Rhode Island
1147 Passes
6 INT - 0.3%
44 KL - 3.8%
89 PD - 7.7%

2%, But you lose 4% on PD.

Watch Imperial Forces. My entire defensive scheme is built around zone defense and power tackling...knock loose, forced fumbles and ints.

Originally posted by Adderfist
2%, But you lose 4% on PD.

KL also demoralizes WR.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
KL also demoralizes WR.

Doesn't matter if they complete 2% more passes if they can catch 3rd down passes.

stobie can you compare it to hawaii's? we aren't that focussed on KL so could be interesting to compare with

Originally posted by Stobie
So did some analysis.

Air Raid
1478 Passes
9 INT - 0.6%
33 KL - 2.2%
166 PD - 11.23%

Drinkin
1226 Passes
15 INT - 1.2%
26 KL - 2.1%
119 PD - 9.7%

Rhode Island
1147 Passes
6 INT - 0.3%
44 KL - 3.8%
89 PD - 7.7%

Interesting- I imagine competition is a big factor here :

Minnesota:
1641 passes
19 INT - 1.1%
60 KL - 3.6%
184 PD - 11.2

Hawaii:
1458 passes
14 INT - .9%
42 KL - 2.8%
236 PD - 16.1%

I guess the moral to the story here is, it's incredibly risky, and you're going to need to sell out harder on the fumble skills than up into the 60s to have any chance to make it relevant on cornerbacks. You're going to be a terrible coverage player as a result, so you better get fumbles since you won't be forcing any team with even a modest passing game to punt very often.

Thanks everyone...this was a great thread. I agree with the conclusion: no way to get the corners strong enough to knock loose enough passes to offset the coverage deficiencies.

Originally posted by Maskdman3
Thanks everyone...this was a great thread. I agree with the conclusion: no way to get the corners strong enough to knock loose enough passes to offset the coverage deficiencies.

FWIW, they do make generally solid run defenders. So there is that.

Originally posted by Galithor
You're going to be a terrible coverage player as a result, so you better get fumbles since you won't be forcing any team with even a modest passing game to punt very often.

Unless you run a zone defense. The best thing about zones...you don't need to invest much in sprinting for your CBs which saves a ton of SPs that you can use for other things such as power tackling, deflection, coverage tech, break run block, balance, etc...

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
Unless you run a zone defense. The best thing about zones...you don't need to invest much in sprinting for your CBs which saves a ton of SPs that you can use for other things such as power tackling, deflection, coverage tech, break run block, balance, etc...

Zone CBs can't afford to be slow when they're letting wide open receivers catch and run. You're going to give up a whole bunch of deep bombs too with anything less than Cover 3 over the top, and even then, there's lots of plays with 4 routes deep. There's not much hope for slow CBs/Safeties to catch 90/70 sprinting/quickness WRs/TEs running uncontested routes deep down the field.

My safeties are very fast...my CBs are quick and agile and strong.