Warrior General Games

It kind of seems to me that Kickers are broken -- or at least suck a lot more than they should as a general.

Looking at a few leagues quickly using the league stats page (so league games only I guess), it would appear that as a whole:

Cheetah has made 67% of FGs
Komodo: 69%
Mars: 74%
Osprey: 67%
Tiger: 69%

So fairly consistent.

When I look at 2014 NFL statistics:
Vinatieri: 100% on 16 tries
Josh Brown: 100% on 7 tries
Novak: 100% on 14 tries
Catanzaro: 100% on 16
Gostkowski: 96% on 25
Folk: 93.8% on 16
Forbath: 93.8% on 16
Parkey: 93.8% on 16
Suisham 93.3$% on 15
Graham: 92.9% on 14

Those are the best 10. now looking at the worst 11:
Walsh: 84.2% on 19
Bullock: 83.3% on 18
Janikowski: 80% on 10
Bryant: 80% on 10
Sturgis: 80% on 20
Dawson: 77.8 on 18
Zuerlein: 76.9 on 13
Scobee: 71.4 on 14
Nugent: 70 on 20
McManus: 66.7 on 9
Murray: 66.7 on 12

So -- looking at the first 5 leagues listed on the league page (I think) as a random sample of vet -- our GLB2 kickers averages are prety much right on par with the worst 4 kickers in the NFL in the current system.

So what say you: ARE KICKERS BROKEN?


in before: fix your builds (I don't currently have a kicker)
in before 4 or more guys linking their kicker who is making a lot of field goals

I agree that kickers are "meh" as far as reliability goes...

I've spec'd mine as an accuracy-based kicker (sophomore ~65 accuracy)...and I have 0 confidence that he'll make anything. Even an extra point.

I wouldn't mind kickers sucking so bad if I could go for it on every 4th down

Even a 10% boost would do wonders.

Is anyone at 100 accuracy?

Originally posted by bhall43
Is anyone at 100 accuracy?

I doubt it -- the skills cost such a HIGH amount of points (I've had kickers in the past).

Kickers in their current form though -- you are required to either sacrifice kick offs --- or sacrifice field goal accuracy -- or carry 2 kickers. Nothing related to football about any of those options.

Originally posted by Aeir
I agree that kickers are "meh" as far as reliability goes...

I've spec'd mine as an accuracy-based kicker (sophomore ~65 accuracy)...and I have 0 confidence that he'll make anything. Even an extra point.

I wouldn't mind kickers sucking so bad if I could go for it on every 4th down

Even a 10% boost would do wonders.

I agree -- but in all honesty I think 10% might not even be enough.

There are many positions - where you can compare a well built GLB player to an NFL player - and the GLB player performs like an absolute superstar or even a superhero.

But compare kickers...and it generally seems like we've got all star NFL teams playing with high school kickers

Originally posted by TxSteve
Cheetah has made 67% of FGs
Komodo: 69%
Mars: 74%
Osprey: 67%
Tiger: 69%

You may be right that 10% isn't even enough...

+10%
Cheetah - 77%
Komodo - 79%
Mars - 84%
Osprey - 77%
Tiger - 79%

+20%
Cheetah - 87%
Komodo - 89%
Mars - 94%
Osprey - 87%
Tiger - 89%

20% makes them look a lot more like real %'s.

Originally posted by TxSteve
I doubt it -- the skills cost such a HIGH amount of points (I've had kickers in the past).

Kickers in their current form though -- you are required to either sacrifice kick offs --- or sacrifice field goal accuracy -- or carry 2 kickers. Nothing related to football about any of those options.



They do cost a lot of points however there still needs to be a difference between going all out and not. Why would anyone make a superstar Field Goal kicker if a normal kicker is kicking 90+% FG's?

Originally posted by bhall43
Is anyone at 100 accuracy?

My kicker on Rangers Reborn will have 100 accuracy at end game, but right now he's just a sophomore with 60 accuracy and he barely makes half his kicks.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/99071

Originally posted by Danthesportsman
My kicker on Rangers Reborn will have 100 accuracy at end game, but right now he's just a sophomore with 60 accuracy and he barely makes half his kicks.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/99071

only his second season though.

im just interested in what the best possible build can do before we are sending mediocre builds to great heights.

So lets look at the top kickers currently in the HoF with open builds... (top 4 of what should be the "best in the game" - with open builds)

83 Accuracy, 72 Consistency, 71 Heart
20/25 (80%)
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/44097

94 Accuracy, 70 Consistency, 55 Heart
17/23 (73%)
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/28936

85 Accuracy, 69 Consistency, 66 Heart
17/24 (71%)
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/25884

92 Accuracy, 72 Consistency, 57 Heart
18/23 (78%)
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/28874

Granted none of these are S*'s but that is nearing the bottom of the "bad NFL Kickers" range, for what is supposed to be the best of the best. Looks pretty bad to me

Originally posted by bhall43
They do cost a lot of points however there still needs to be a difference between going all out and not. Why would anyone make a superstar Field Goal kicker if a normal kicker is kicking 90+% FG's?

I think that is part of the broken mechanic. not enough different skills -- and the skills they need are too expensive.

It wouldn't make any sense (or be consistent with other positions in GLB2) if they intentionally limited non superstar kickers to something like a 80% accuracy...in order to create room for a superstar kicker who can kick 98%.


In that vein though - the build isn't mine to share - but Paraboon has a superstar kicker on my team. I think about anyone would have to agree that Paraboon is generally a competent player builder (I'm trying to be conservative with what 'anyone' would agree)

rookie: 20/42 = 47.6%
soph: 33/43 = 76.7%
seas: 20/37 = 54%
journey: 18/30 = 60%
pro: 5/8 = 62.5%

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/61399

Originally posted by Aeir
So lets look at the top kickers currently in the HoF with open builds... (top 4 of what should be the "best in the game" - with open builds)

83 Accuracy, 72 Consistency, 71 Heart
20/25 (80%)
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/44097

94 Accuracy, 70 Consistency, 55 Heart
17/23 (73%)
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/28936

85 Accuracy, 69 Consistency, 66 Heart
17/24 (71%)
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/25884

92 Accuracy, 72 Consistency, 57 Heart
18/23 (78%)
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/28874

Granted none of these are S*'s but that is nearing the bottom of the "bad NFL Kickers" range, for what is supposed to be the best of the best. Looks pretty bad to me

good stuff Aier - I agree - that makes a more compelling argument for brokenness than the league stats did (in my opinion)

Originally posted by Aeir

94 Accuracy, 70 Consistency, 55 Heart
17/23 (73%)
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/28936


Looking more closely at past years:
rookie: 32/71 = 45%
soph: 24/42 = 57%
seas: 44/61 = 72%
jour: 35/62 = 56%
pro: 28/45 = 62%
vet: 17/23 = 73.9%



Originally posted by Aeir

92 Accuracy, 72 Consistency, 57 Heart
18/23 (78%)
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/28874


Looking more closely at past years:
rookie: 25/47= 53%
soph: 27/37= 72.9%
seas: 33/43= 76.7%
jour: 36/51= 70.5%
pro: 40/56 = 71.4%
vet: 18/23 = 78.2%


Odds are - with 92/94 accuracy and 70-72 consistency and 77/70 power -- neither of these guys would have an NFL career that lasted very long

As a reference here is mine, nothing but pure FG kicker, no Kickoffs.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/60362 (90 accuracy / 72 consistency / 62 power)

Rookie: 28 attempts 57.14% - He did kick 125 kickoffs this season
Sophomore: 54 attempts 64.11%
Seasoned: 53 attempts 66.03%
Journeyman: 61 attempts 62.30%
Professional: 25 attempts 84% --- WTF, now I think I cap boosted him to 90 accuracy this season so not sure if that is the break point.