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Absolut Zero
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If the DE is technically pass rushing first, does he need to pass a blitz awareness roll before he can even start breaking the run block?

Or are the skills a bit more amorphous, in that they contribute in both passing and rushing situations?
Edited by Absolut Zero on Oct 2, 2014 15:30:18
 
Mezirah
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Per playbooks the linemen are all pass rushing to start. So you are correct it is blitz aware. It's unconfirmed though about the details of the blocking interactions and when rolls happen etc. Like Tunnel Vision can fire off on running plays.

With the current state of break run block it doesn't matter. By the time the running back is alongside your DE, he is in break run block mode which means he can break free and make the tackle.
 
Absolut Zero
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Originally posted by Mezirah
With the current state of break run block it doesn't matter. By the time the running back is alongside your DE, he is in break run block mode which means he can break free and make the tackle.


So by the time the RB is at the line of scrimmage, he'd pass the awareness test regardless. Would passing the blitz awareness roll as quickly as possible mean a greater chance to break the run block?

One more thing. Does Blitz Awareness help on HB Pitches? The QB usually only pitches until the unblocked DE is already past the RB. Will Blitz Awareness prevent that?
Edited by Absolut Zero on Oct 3, 2014 10:26:39
 
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More awareness would mean a quicker chance of break run block, but he may not break off. You typically need some kind of angle for BRB to allow you some slide. And there is a blocking interaction every .7 seconds or something. So if you win the pulse, you will just try to win again and again. I wouldn't worry too much about trying to initiate a run blocking interaction sooner than a pass blocking interaction, it's such a small issue in my opinion, and blitz aware is cheap, your guy will be fine. There is also a small radius, or halo, range around your player that auto triggers pursuit mode, without waiting for a blitz aware check delay (the end of pass rush mode) once a ball carrier enters it. So as a ball carrier heads for a rush lane, your linemen will attempt to break run blocking.

On pitches, you can't stop pass rushing until the QB releases the ball. Then, and only then, will your players roll a blitz aware check to see how fast they begin pursuit mode. Typically a blitzing linebacker or DE, as you know, are already past the running back when this check happens. So pitches are effectively kind of mini-screen passes which is weird. You just have to hope the DE can sack the QB before he gets the pitch off at that point. This occurs occasionally.
 
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on pitches and counters the blitz awarness works like god for them honestly. when you are talking to help against the run it alows them to react and see the run sooner. it is still flawed like he said but it does make a huge difference.
 
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If he engages an ol that is run blocking, then brb is the skill that will break the block even if he hasn't passed a blitz aware check. And if the hb gets close enough to the dlineman in question he doesn't need blitz awr at all. It (blitz awr) mainly helps on outside runs.
 
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I'm heavily invested in break run block on my DT and LB and I don't see it having any effect. They get vacuumed into blocks and don't get off. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
 
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Originally posted by Majestic Gent
I'm heavily invested in break run block on my DT and LB and I don't see it having any effect. They get vacuumed into blocks and don't get off. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.


Break Run Block is one of the most overrated skills.
 
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Originally posted by Galactic Empire
Break Run Block is one of the most overrated skills.


No, it isn't.
 
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Originally posted by kirincnj
No, it isn't.


Depends on how your defense is built.
 
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Originally posted by Majestic Gent
I'm heavily invested in break run block on my DT and LB and I don't see it having any effect. They get vacuumed into blocks and don't get off. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.


footwork is way too low. when they break the block i believe they use footwork to sidestep around the blocker
 
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Originally posted by mrm708
footwork is way too low. when they break the block i believe they use footwork to sidestep around the blocker


Thanks I heard it was quickness, guess I went the wrong direction. I'll try again, I believe Corndog said he's going to do something about the Shed Block SA in season 7 so hopefully the investment will be worth it.
 
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quickness definitely seems to help too especially in adjusting to an incoming ballcarrier and actually being in position to make the tackle. footwork seems to help the most at just getting away from the blocker after the block is broken. both are important IMO.
 
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Footwork and quickness are VERY important defensive skills.
 
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Originally posted by Galactic Empire
Depends on how your defense is built.


In what defense is BRB 'one of the most overrated skills'?

 
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