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Right now you watch the replay, the kick looks like its good....but is apparently no good. So the stat line says its a miss...you watch it and you can't tell the difference half the time. Basically it should say "miss off left" or "miss off right" or "missed short"...that way someone can know whether its an accuracy thing, power, or other things. (or "miss" pressured by___) if its due to pressure up the middle.

So basically, if you can tell me so and so pressured the QB which is why he hurried his missed throw you should also be able to tell me that so and so pressured the kick, so we can tell if it was a kicker consistency thing, or just poor accuracy, or what...right now its anyone's guess... (I even have one of the best kickers in my league and even I don't know why he misses most of the time. I am forced to guess.)

You can tell if its short. It won't make the goalpost. Left or Right isn't going to help you in any way.

lol, no really. I think I can tell the distance. Watch my kickers misses and you tell me why he missed each one. There is no way you can unless you are lying. The issue is not the distance, because 95% of them have the length. It has the distance, it looks like it goes through the uprights...but is then labaled as a "missed field goal". This happens to kickers in every single game, every gameday. So if it just says off left or off right, or "pressured" or "hurried by___" that would go a long way towards helping people know what to work on with their kickers. There is something wrong if even the best kickers are only hitting 50% of their kicks. The game does nothing to help people build or improve kickers as all you see is "missed field goal"...its a very valid and fair suggestion and absolutely should be implemented as it would not be hard to do either.

Originally posted by 3ebfan511
There is something wrong if even the best kickers are only hitting 50% of their kicks. The game does nothing to help people build or improve kickers as all you see is "missed field goal"...its a very valid and fair suggestion and absolutely should be implemented as it would not be hard to do either.

My kicker has made 74% of field goals and 97% of extra points this season. He's only a sophomore, so he's still improving. Yet, that's much better than the 50% you're claiming for the 'best kickers'.

Also, how exactly does knowing if your kicker missed left or right help? It's not like you have a kicking coach who can help on planting (hooks) or follow through (slice). All you can do is what you should be doing anyway. Throw more points at accuracy and consistency.

That said, I'm in favor of more detail just for the sake of more detail. Just like I'd like to have all possible stats available for all players, changing the current Hall of Fame to an All-Pro list that lets people sort any position by any stat. Creating an actual Hall of Fame list that is limited to only a few inductees per season, and only after that player has been retired.

Ya know, basically more stuff to dig through to make the game more interesting to those of us who like details.

Originally posted by 3ebfan511
lol, no really. I think I can tell the distance. Watch my kickers misses and you tell me why he missed each one. There is no way you can unless you are lying. The issue is not the distance, because 95% of them have the length. It has the distance, it looks like it goes through the uprights...but is then labaled as a "missed field goal". This happens to kickers in every single game, every gameday. So if it just says off left or off right, or "pressured" or "hurried by___" that would go a long way towards helping people know what to work on with their kickers. There is something wrong if even the best kickers are only hitting 50% of their kicks. The game does nothing to help people build or improve kickers as all you see is "missed field goal"...its a very valid and fair suggestion and absolutely should be implemented as it would not be hard to do either.



If your rookie kicker is making every fg, kicker shouldn't even be a position to choose from.

Originally posted by bhall43
If your rookie kicker is making every fg, kicker shouldn't even be a position to choose from.

Thats not the point. The point is there is not enough detail given on field goal kicks. Hitting left vs right doesnt matter, all it would have to say is "off" or "short" or "pressured by___"....so you would know whether to work on his accuracy, or power, or consistency....right now if it has enough distance but misses it does not tell you way and there is no why to discern that from the replay alone without more information.

Its pretty basic. Its not a big deal, but it should absolutely be implemented based on common sense alone. If you have hurries on regular plays you should also have hurries listed on kicks as well. Basically, half the time there are guys shooting up the middle, and you cant tell if your kicker missed because he felt the pressure (consistency and heart) or if it had nothing to do with the pressure but just not enough accuracy (consistency and accuracy)

Obviously if he is too tired or low morale thats easy...my guy always has good energy and morale on the play...the issue is guys shooting up the middle...are they disrupting the kicker even if they dont get that close to the kicker...at what point is too close ? At what point does that effect his kick ? I have no idea the answer to those questions and the play gives no info either, as hurries are somehow non-existent on field goal kicks even though guys are shooting up the middle constantly getting near the kicker, but not blocking the kick.


lol, and XAV, your kicker is on a good team just kicking easy field goals. Your kicker has not even made a kick over 40 yards in his CAREER yet. My guy has kicks from short, medium, long, everywhere, 40-49 and 50-59 yards. In fact my kicker LEADS his league in 50+ yard field goals (because no other kicker in his entire league has even 1, including yours.) so I am like an expert on kickers here, I know what I am talking about, and there is no way to tell why many of the kicks are missed. Your kicker is a poor example and has 0 40 yard fields goals and 0 50 yard field goals in his whole career lol...my guy has like 5x that many already.

The problem still stands...why can my guy hit from 50+ while none of the other kickers can, but why does he miss from 30 or 40 at times, when his consistency is already extremely high...I believe it is the guys shooting up the middle causing the kicker to feel pressure but THERE ARE NO HURRIES LISTED ON FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS. So easy solution...please list hurries on field goal attempts.

Oh yea, I also agree the kickers should not make 100%...but thats not the point...the point is there is no way to tell when a kicker is hurried vs. not hurried.

Originally posted by 3ebfan511
Oh yea, I also agree the kickers should not make 100%...but thats not the point...the point is there is no way to tell when a kicker is hurried vs. not hurried.

The fact that it isn't mentioned leads me to believe pressure doesn't affect kicks.

The fact that it isnt mentioned, leads me to believe that fullbacks cant catch passes, because those arent listed either.

Easy small things that need to be added to the game to make it better. This is one of them.

I have been watching this alot...for a while...and I think it absolutely does matter, so until Bort or Corndog say otherwise I want to see Hurries added, unless they give an explanation saying for sure, that hurries have literally 0 impact on the kicker. Odds are it does, and they have just been too lazy to add the hurry stat to kicks, just like they have not added many basic stats on every profile page.

You have a rookie kicker. Stop acting like your stats are all amazing.

Originally posted by 3ebfan511
lol, and XAV, your kicker is on a good team just kicking easy field goals. Your kicker has not even made a kick over 40 yards in his CAREER yet. My guy has kicks from short, medium, long, everywhere, 40-49 and 50-59 yards. In fact my kicker LEADS his league in 50+ yard field goals (because no other kicker in his entire league has even 1, including yours.) so I am like an expert on kickers here, I know what I am talking about, and there is no way to tell why many of the kicks are missed. Your kicker is a poor example and has 0 40 yard fields goals and 0 50 yard field goals in his whole career lol...my guy has like 5x that many already.


Just this season my kicker has put two games into overtime with last second field goals. He's won a game in overtime for the team.

I'd much rather have that than an unreliable kicker who sometimes can maybe possibly if everything goes right get a 50 yarder.

And honestly, I think my kicker could make 50 yarders, but I'm far happier playing field position than risking long kicks.

Originally posted by 3ebfan511





The problem still stands...why can my guy hit from 50+ while none of the other kickers can, but why does he miss from 30 or 40 at times, when his consistency is already extremely high...I believe it is the guys shooting up the middle causing the kicker to feel pressure but THERE ARE NO HURRIES LISTED ON FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS. So easy solution...please list hurries on field goal attempts.

You have 1 50 and it barely went over the cross bar, any rookie or sophomore hitting a 50+ yard FG is pretty much luck at this point. You are asking for a cheat code basically, make changes to your kicker and see if it helps. Don't ask for the answers...

Originally posted by Parab00n
You have 1 50 and it barely went over the cross bar, any rookie or sophomore hitting a 50+ yard FG is pretty much luck at this point. You are asking for a cheat code basically, make changes to your kicker and see if it helps. Don't ask for the answers...





Wtf ? That is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. I am asking for hurries on passing plays...which we already have. It would be insane to have the same response to someone asking for hurries on passing plays before they were implemented. That would have gone well.

There is no reason not to have hurries on field goal kicks as well, as there are multiple guys...rushing into the guy with the the ball trying to disrupt the play...

Originally posted by Xavori
Just this season my kicker has put two games into overtime with last second field goals. He's won a game in overtime for the team.

I'd much rather have that than an unreliable kicker who sometimes can maybe possibly if everything goes right get a 50 yarder.

And honestly, I think my kicker could make 50 yarders, but I'm far happier playing field position than risking long kicks.




Well, maybe the reason they arent hitting 50 yarders as routinely is because of the pressure of the blitzers ? Did anyone ever think of that ? I watch more field goal kicks then most people, so I want to know whether A. blitzing has no effect on a kicker (I doubt it.) or B. If so, make a useful stat showing when it is officially a pressure with a "hurry" stat.. Not asking a lot here.

Originally posted by bhall43
You have a rookie kicker. Stop acting like your stats are all amazing.

Im not. I don't know if logic is hard for you. I simply said he has the most 50+ yard kicks in his league, which is unfortunately a fact. He is good, but needs improvement, as do pretty much all kickers. I dont think any kicker, anywhere, is perfect in their league right now, with anything more then a few attempts.

The issue is not my kicker, or any one kicker, its about the field goal mechanics and showing if the kicker was hurred...either he is...or is not...and if he is...and I think they are...then we need to know when that is triggered. ( A hurry on a passing down is kindof important to note...it can explain why your quarterback missed his pass...so asking for the same thing on a field goal kick...which is even more important as every one can costs points..is pretty basic.

Imagine if we had no hurries on passing downs......now, that is what we currently have on field goals.