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yello43
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So on my team I own I am doing all the OL and trying to help out with game planning. The problem is nearly everything we try we end up with either 20 sacks against or 4 sacks against but no yards at all. I've noticed that a lot of people rush 5 and lately even 6. If a DB comes in nobody picks them up. If an OLB comes in the G double teams the DE and then tries to run to the LB too late. Is there anything I should be doing to cut down on this or is it just a factor of the WR/QB not connecting.

Edit: I have the HB/TE/FB stay back to cover blitz checked but I don't know how much thats helped.
Edited by yello43 on Apr 4, 2014 18:37:17
 
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Hi - I sacked your QB 4 times today with my OLB and SS - the issue is all playcalling. Rhode Island (and a lot of the other smart defensive teams) run a lot of plays like this one http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/44252/1112077 that are, essentially, free sacks at this point in rookie ball. Your OL isn't going to have the points (yet) to see the LBs coming AND be fast enough to get to the spot, so sack sack sack.


You can't really stop these plays until later in rookie - so the answer is to make the defense scared to call those plays. You want to spend more time in 2 WR sets (where there aren't quite as easy insta sack plays) and you definitely need to spend more time running up the middle from the 3 or 4 wide formations. The blitzes you see don't go as well when there's a quick HB heading up the gut - and if a DC scouting you sees a lot of runs, they need to dial down the outside blitzes somewhat. If they don't, then the OLBs are essentially taken out of the play - making it about builds along the interior.
 
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Originally posted by pottsman
Hi - I sacked your QB 4 times today with my OLB and SS - the issue is all playcalling. Rhode Island (and a lot of the other smart defensive teams) run a lot of plays like this one http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/44252/1112077 that are, essentially, free sacks at this point in rookie ball. Your OL isn't going to have the points (yet) to see the LBs coming AND be fast enough to get to the spot, so sack sack sack.


You can't really stop these plays until later in rookie - so the answer is to make the defense scared to call those plays. You want to spend more time in 2 WR sets (where there aren't quite as easy insta sack plays) and you definitely need to spend more time running up the middle from the 3 or 4 wide formations. The blitzes you see don't go as well when there's a quick HB heading up the gut - and if a DC scouting you sees a lot of runs, they need to dial down the outside blitzes somewhat. If they don't, then the OLBs are essentially taken out of the play - making it about builds along the interior.


and in that play he posted, you didn't hold back the HB which would of prevented 1 rusher, and the ROT got touch caked by the DE haha, that shouldn't happen. Only 1 rusher SHOULD of made it to the QB, so may be some of play calling and some of Oline builds
 
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For the holding back for incoming blitzer thing. Is there an attribute that helps that like pocket awareness or leadership or is it more random?
 
pottsman
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Originally posted by yello43
For the holding back for incoming blitzer thing. Is there an attribute that helps that like pocket awareness or leadership or is it more random?


Pocket awareness is (allegedly) the stat that lets you hold back blitzers more. Even if you pump it, though, you still tend not to hold someone too often...and you've also got a QB who isn't as able to complete passes.
 
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Originally posted by pottsman
Pocket awareness is (allegedly) the stat that lets you hold back blitzers more. Even if you pump it, though, you still tend not to hold someone too often...and you've also got a QB who isn't as able to complete passes.


Not allegedly, it is. It's just a bubble stat. It works best when you can start holding dudes back consistently
 
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What do you mean by bubble stat?
 
Galithor
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If you want to immunize yourself to the rookie blitz meta, you need a QB with 50 pass awareness, "never scramble" turned on, an O-line with 50 pass block awareness and 40 footwork. You also need WRs with 25+ sprinting, quickness, and route tech, and decent playcalling so that receivers are able to get to hot zones reasonably quickly. 50 pocket awareness can help buy your QB a few extra ticks by having them ideally position themselves in the pocket, and it might help them throw passes earlier to avoid the sack, even when the receiver isn't in ideal position. Your QB also needs some heart to absorb a few sacks before the morale spiral crashes your stats. A high contract is mandatory. I'd tack on at least heart to 25 too, so you've got 50 effective heart. Energy loss is also a big deal as it will sap your skills. If you can't get to 40+ conditioning at some point for your QB, you need to be running a 2 QB system the first season. This is determined by whether you've got a superstar or not probably.

Rookie QBs starting with pass accuracy and pass technique are sackbait in rookie. Tech is important for killing drops, but not until you can actually get off passes reliably. Your O-line doesn't need hardly any pass block tech or power until sophomore. The unblocked LB will be what sacks your QB. That guy you delayed by 3 ticks that then broke the pass block? He's irrelevant. He's been delayed 3 ticks and is now a non factor in the pass rush. It changes in sophomore when 2 star spin cycle DEs and DTs become more of a factor. You'll want some actual tech/power then.

Follow this advice, you'll handle the blitz meta much, much better.
 
Jampy2.0
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Originally posted by Galithor
40 footwork.


Why do you keep saying 40? That is so absurd.
 
bhall43
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All that is definitely not needed to not get sacked.
 
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Originally posted by Chron27
What do you mean by bubble stat?


Works best at very high or very low values. Either count on holding guys back every time or never.
 
Galithor
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Originally posted by bhall43
All that is definitely not needed to not get sacked.


Probably true. But it's basically what Air Raid did, and it worked out pretty well.


Originally posted by Jampy2.0
Why do you keep saying 40? That is so absurd.


Says the scrub that can't keep a team in the top 30. Your opinion is hardly relevant. Go troll some other thread.

 
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Originally posted by Galithor
Says the scrub that can't keep a team in the top 30. Your opinion is hardly relevant. Go troll some other thread.





you keep saying 40 not understanding how retarded you look. you can rage all you want, but it still doesn't make you right lol?
 
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Originally posted by Jampy2.0


you keep saying 40 not understanding how retarded you look. you can rage all you want, but it still doesn't make you right lol?


how many times does Cleveland get sacked per game right now? If I'm not right, I'm not wrong either. Still waiting for your constructive opinion for the OP.
 
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fwiw, through the first 9 games of sophomore season:

Cleveland Brown - 2.7% sacked on dropback
Yukiko Amagi - 4.3% sacked on dropback
 
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