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guys with high pass deflection should maybe try to make a deflection roll for a few ticks instead of continuing their rush, and really all defenders in real life are trained to get their hands up when the qb is "about to pass" if they arent close enough to stop the throwing motion themselves

you could have a successful PF cause all rushers to make an awareness check with the penalty for failing being freezing for a couple ticks, or even just 1 tick and having to start their acceleration all over again
there are a lot of ways to implement this
i think that 5% at level 1 to cause the check and 15% at level 3 is plenty
and then the check is a standard blitz awareness check

+1. I think 5/10/15 percents could even go up.

+1 all around

im guessing theres no chance of this happening since no mod has weighed in on it?

makes Pump Fake too mandatory IMO (although QB's seem to already more or less have this problem)

I think if the defensive backfield's one job before the ball is thrown is to cover receivers, it's already pretty broken to have a percentage chance to fuck that up. Keep in mind Pass Awareness (the trigger) is already pretty much a mandatory top 3-4 stat for QB's while the reverse is not necessarily true for all coverage players. You don't need to make Pump Fake a one-stop "get out of jail free" SA. What other position has an SA that bails them out of two of their most problematic situations (being blitzed and having no open receivers). It would be like a DE skill that gave you a chance to instantly jump back up after a pancake AND jumped you forward on a snap.

I think we need a solution to the rampant ease of blitzing but I don't think an SA is the answer.

Originally posted by Laggo
makes Pump Fake too mandatory IMO (although QB's seem to already more or less have this problem)

Unless you find a way to add a negative to PF I suspect this would be Bort's ultimate response.

Originally posted by AirMcMVP
Unless you find a way to add a negative to PF I suspect this would be Bort's ultimate response.


Minus to carrying and a fumble percent chance on activation?

- drop back grip and - drop back power

Or make it not work on all players in coverage, which it shouldn't anyways, you should have to be looking at the qb for pump fake to work, like being in zone coverage or man coverage on a crossing route or curl

Originally posted by flynn
Or make it not work on all players in coverage, which it shouldn't anyways, you should have to be looking at the qb for pump fake to work, like being in zone coverage or man coverage on a crossing route or curl


That's already the case.

Originally posted by Corndog
That's already the case.

This response would lead someone to believe it will work on man coverage on a crossing route or curl.

I'd say the only time it should really affect a rusher is when the rusher is right in front of the QB or in the potential passing lane.

A DE won't bite on a PF down field (or shouldn't), but he might if the QB faked to the flats, a screen, flare, etc.
A DT probably won't bite on the same stuff a DE does, either. More likely to bite on something across the middle.


I'd also expect the chances of faking a rusher to be far lower when they're engaged with a blocker, and higher when they're running free. You see QBs pump fake when scrambling to get the defender off their feet or to cause enough of a hesitation to give them some space.


I like the idea of having a hit to drop back grip/power, but if you get hit during a PF would it be more likely to be an incompletion due to "forward motion"?

Originally posted by Staz
I'd say the only time it should really affect a rusher is when the rusher is right in front of the QB or in the potential passing lane.

A DE won't bite on a PF down field (or shouldn't)

Who lied to you?

DTs are much bigger than DEs... and they definitely throw the hand or hands up when the QB throws.

Originally posted by Jampy2.0
Who lied to you?

DTs are much bigger than DEs... and they definitely throw the hand or hands up when the QB throws.

Not sure what your response has to do with my post...?

I was saying that a DE coming off the edge isn't going to bite on a PF over the middle of the field because he's not in the passing lane...

Not sure what size has to do with it...

Originally posted by Staz
I was saying that a DE coming off the edge isn't going to bite on a PF over the middle of the field because he's not in the passing lane...

This is common sense, people who think they are in position to actually PD will throw their hands up... Dur?

I'm saying why should it matter whether they are a DT or DE? If they think they are in the passing lane they should throw the hand up, and ultimately have a chance to be PFd... Where the QB shouldn't matter all that much.

Originally posted by Jampy2.0
This is common sense, people who think they are in position to actually PD will throw their hands up... Dur?

I'm saying why should it matter whether they are a DT or DE? If they think they are in the passing lane they should throw the hand up, and ultimately have a chance to be PFd... Where the QB shouldn't matter all that much.

I was using the positions to make my point about who is more likely to react to what since they're, you know, generally located in different spots.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the initial coding of pass rushers being fooled on PFs didn't include a "Am I even in the passing lane?" logic. Figured bringing that point up was necessary.


So again I ask you, what does size have to do with anything? ("DTs are much bigger than DEs...")