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justafish2002
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Corndog said that both flex points and SS points would increase exponentially as you completed each referral tier. However, the first three tiers are:
250 FP, 1 SSpt
500 FP, 2 SSpt
750 FP, 3 SSpt

If it's increasing exponentially, shouldn't the third tier be 1000FP, 4 SSpt?
 
Time Trial
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If you plot the curve of total SS pts

250 = 1
500 = 3
750 = 6

That is an exponential increase.
 
justafish2002
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Originally posted by Time Trial
If you plot the curve of total SS pts

250 = 1
500 = 3
750 = 6

That is an exponential increase.

Actually, it isn't. An exponential function can be expressed as n^x

1,2,4,(8,16,32) is an exponential increase as it is 2^(n), assuming you begin your count at zero.

Regardless, the current bonus is not exponentially increasing.
Edited by justafish2002 on Jan 15, 2014 12:35:30
 
E-A-G-L-E-S
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Damn I don't know math but it seems to me that op is correct based of his confidence and machismo
 
o The Boss x
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Is it possible that it raises exponentially but 1SS point higher since it would start at 1?

But in regard to the original post if that's how it is now and it states it should be exponential somewhere, then you're right. I've never looked into referrals... I always thought that you just got a set fp for a referral, never knew it could gain as you get more and more.
 
justafish2002
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Originally posted by o The Boss x
Is it possible that it raises exponentially but 1SS point higher since it would start at 1?

But in regard to the original post if that's how it is now and it states it should be exponential somewhere, then you're right. I've never looked into referrals... I always thought that you just got a set fp for a referral, never knew it could gain as you get more and more.


I believe that it's a special promotion for just this season, so I've been working hard on various sites to load up on SS pts before the season ends. Unfortunately, if the SSpt only increases by 1, instead of exponentially, then the magic number of referrals is 30, rather than 25. Also at 25 referrals, the current linear increase would give you 3750 FP, rather than the exponential increase model giving 7750.
 
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The rate of increase increases the higher you go.

That is an exponential function.
 
Time Trial
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Originally posted by justafish2002

Actually, it isn't. An exponential function can be expressed as n^x

1,2,4,(8,16,32) is an exponential increase as it is 2^(n), assuming you begin your count at zero.

Regardless, the current bonus is not exponentially increasing.


Just because the exponent isn't a whole number doesn't mean it isn't an exponential increase.

X=1, Y=1
X=2, Y=3
X=3, Y=6

Plot on a graph, and you will see that it is rising faster and faster, faster and faster. Now go ask your math teacher if this is an exponential rate of increase and come back.
 
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I'd call ya'll nerds, but we're all playing a football simulator... so yeah.
 
justafish2002
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Originally posted by Corndog
The rate of increase increases the higher you go.

That is an exponential function.


I read this as that the bonus increase (tier vs that tier's ss bonus) would be exponential, rather than total ss pts vs referral tier. I should read more closely
 
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Originally posted by Time Trial
Just because the exponent isn't a whole number doesn't mean it isn't an exponential increase.

X=1, Y=1
X=2, Y=3
X=3, Y=6

Plot on a graph, and you will see that it is rising faster and faster, faster and faster. Now go ask your math teacher if this is an exponential rate of increase and come back.


so then x=4, y=10? Goddamn
 
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Originally posted by Time Trial
If you plot the curve of total SS pts


If you plot the total instead of the amount you get at each tier then you're plotting the wrong thing.

If I told you that you get a free cup of coffee after every 10 cups, and the rewards increase as you buy more...but i only gave you a free cup of coffee at 20 cups, and again at 30 cups, you'd call me a liar. But by your logic:
Plot the total free cups of coffee!
1, 2, 3! That's an increased reward!

No, that's crap, that's what that is. It's a flat reward.

Originally posted by Corndog
The rate of increase increases the higher you go.


I assume you mean once you get higher than the OP has described? Because the rate of increase is flat - the rate of increase is 250FP and 1SS with each tier.
 
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Originally posted by NiborRis
If you plot the total instead of the amount you get at each tier then you're plotting the wrong thing.

If I told you that you get a free cup of coffee after every 10 cups, and the rewards increase as you buy more...but i only gave you a free cup of coffee at 20 cups, and again at 30 cups, you'd call me a liar. But by your logic:
Plot the total free cups of coffee!
1, 2, 3! That's an increased reward!

No, that's crap, that's what that is. It's a flat reward.


My understanding of the reward system:

At 250 you get 1 SS point
At 500 you get 2 more SS points, bringing your total to 3
At 750 you get 3 more SS points, bringing you total to 6

X=0, Y=0
X=1, Y=1 Delta (1,0) = 1
X=2, Y=3 Delta (2,1) = 2
X=3, Y=6 Delta(3,2) = 3

How many points will I earn if I get to 750? The answer isn't 3 (much is the new increase), it is 6. Thus, exponential growth of rewards.

If I am wrong, then the reward is merely linear (1 SS point for every 250, no increasing reward), then the plot goes:

X=1, Y=1
X=2, Y=2
X=3, Y=3

 
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Usually when people say exponential, they are talking whole numbers. Using exponentiation you can create any product, positive or negative. But when you say things are changing exponentially, you don't typically cite 1.75, or whatever non integer, as the rate of increase because there are other ways that this can be shown with multiplication (or division with negatives) instead of using a non-whole exponent, without defining the exact value of the exponent (in my experience).
 
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Originally posted by -Phaytle-
Usually when people say exponential, they are talking whole numbers. Using exponentiation you can create any product, positive or negative. But when you say things are changing exponentially, you don't typically cite 1.75, or whatever non integer, as the rate of increase because there are other ways that this can be shown with multiplication (or division with negatives) instead of using a non-whole exponent, without defining the exact value of the exponent (in my experience).


No. You have to use an exponent to get exponential growth, even if that exponent is not a whole number.

Any formula for multiplication and division will only give you linear growth.
 
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