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Instead of a subjective poll of who is the best PW team of all time, I created a statistical version that I think does a good job of showing overall PW performance. It gets too complicated if you include Silver & tourney performance, so this is just based on Gold performance...

1 point for every Gold regular season win, nothing for ties.
2 points for every season your team made the Gold playoffs.
5 points for every 1st & 2nd round Gold playoff game win.
15 points if you won a Gold conference title.
30 points if you won the Gold championship.

No way in hell am I going to calculate this up for all teams, but if everyone does it for their own team, and please be honest, lets see where teams stand. Don't include this season please. I will keep a list for all teams that do this...

The only fair comparison would be if they all played the same code. Unfortunately the code changes more often than Stoner’s username.

I have to factor in long term Gold regular season success in addition to playoff success. Jkid2's top-10 does factor in a couple teams that never made the championship game, so I can only presume the made that list due to their longevity. In my system, the points a team can earn in the playoffs, only 4 games, can match or even surpass what the team earned in the 16 regular season games.

If you feel the numbers don't accurately represent the skill of a team, how would you change them? Increase the points for the playoff success?

Originally posted by harmonkoz
The only fair comparison would be if they all played the same code. Unfortunately the code changes more often than Stoner’s username.



But you are correct in that Gold has evolved, but doesn't that speak volumes about the gold teams who are able to be successful year after year, like SBWL and FGC vs a team who just has the right recipe for a single season, but doesn't do anything special other seasons?

I think I have a pretty vaild point.

It goes back to what is subjective? Without the code being the same -- it's subjective.

OK, I will up the points a team gets for making it to the championship game and then for winning it. Wont affect my scores, but should give those who made it that far a big bump in points.

Originally posted by Gerr
OK, I will up the points a team gets for making it to the championship game and then for winning it. Wont affect my scores, but should give those who made it that far a big bump in points.

Still not enough.

A championship victory is worth 2 seasons of 5-11 ball in gold?

Also, tournament championships isn't very good, either. Not everybody plays in them or takes them seriously.

Originally posted by PING72
Still not enough.

A championship victory is worth 2 seasons of 5-11 ball in gold?

Also, tournament championships isn't very good, either. Not everybody plays in them or takes them seriously.

OK, will dump tourney points and jump the championship points a lot.

Redoing mine with the new values...

86 points for 86 Gold regular season wins(S14-S20)
14 points for 7 Gold playoff appearances.
10 points for two 1st round playoff wins.
Total: 110


MG's redo...
63 points for Gold regular season wins(S16-S20)
10 points for 5 Gold playoffs made(S16-S20)
25 points for 1st/2nd round playoff wins.
15 points for winning the East conference title in S20
30 points for winning the gold championship in S20
TOTAL: 143


That look better?

Gerr, it's not going to work since you are not going to come up with an unanimous agreement.
Unless you want this to be gerr's ranking, nobody is going to take this seriously.

You seriously think winning the official tournament is equivalent of winning 4 regular season games or 0 points?
Also, to some people regular season games don't mean anything and just use it for strategic purpose. There are couple
of holes I didn't patch on purpose during the regular season when I won gold league championship with BNI.
And then everyone try to exploit it in playoff when I already had that figured out during preseason.

I have to agree that PW gold is the hardest to win, it's the superbowl of PW--no debate there. But sometimes if you are on the wrong side of the bracket in one of those major tournaments, the difficulties of winning them aren't that far off. Not everyone participate
in them but most elite teams do participate and they do take them seriously. It shouldn't be taken highly as gold league championship
but it should definitely be taken into consideration--a lot higher than just 0 or 4 points.

I'm not saying which is right or wrong. I'm sure they all have good reasons. But you are not
going to come up with an unanimous agreement since some will take highly of regular season games while some won't. Same with
tournaments and playoffs. What about the no/no teams? How are we going to judge them? See it's not going to work.

I'm just pointing out the irony that you came up with this to counter the subjective poll when in fact yours are just as subjective.