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LE made a really good point in his post, but that post got lost in a long thread due to my other issue, which will not be brought up here. Here is the post LE made...

Originally posted by LordEvil
What I do mind is the shear fact that something has changed in pee wee and it started around season 16 maybe 17. Teams that are outleveled are winning games they shouldn't be winning. This isn't directed at any one team as there are several. If you take two teams from Gold and one team is 3 level higher throughout the roster and say throw in custom EQ and the other team doesnt have any of that, thats a whopping 1100 plus sps. Thats a lot period. Also throw in the fact that both coordiantors coaches whatever are very good at the game and yet the no/no team still beats the fully loaded team? That I don't like. In the past a no/no team had zero shot at beating a fully decked team and thats the way it should be. You run a pitch and the CB is 3 levels under plus custom at 6, so lets say a level 10 LB catches a level 13 Hb on a pitch and makes a solo tackle for yards lost, that should never happen. The HB Should have more vision, he should be a bit faster and he should have more agility, not to mention the fact the FB and TE have the same advantage and the Offensive line. No way a DT by himself at level 10 with no CE should be able to stop the Center and the rushing QB cold in his tracks for .5 a yard, that just shouldn't happen. Something changed after season 15, and I think it was after season 16 and in season 17 when boosting all the sudden doesn't have the effect it once had.

Now I'm not saying I am against no/no teams but no way one should ever win a playoff game against a solid ball club. It's bad for bussiness, its bad for GLB. It's bad for teams who spend the funds to get an edge, and yes it is an edge I forgot who I argued this with, but 3 levels and CE is a clear edge and if your paying for it you clearly should have one.

I agree with LE here, 3x boosting along with CEQ isn't as big of a factor as it once was. In season's past, a no-no team would have to be good to finish 8-8, but now a good no-no team can easily make the playoffs. RK proved it this season and Dead.Ed did in S17 & S19; a no-no team can do really well in the regular season and decently in the playoffs with the right player builds and game plan.

As LE said, this is not good for GLB as people will start to see this and ask themselves...why do I need to boost or buy CEQ if I can compete with a no-no team? Unless GLB wants most teams in Gold to start going no-no, something needs to be done as boosting/ceq are not as big of a factor as they used to be. Because of this, I see more and more teams going no-no or only partial boosting/ceq.

Don't get me wrong here, I am not for Gold going no-no, I am against it in fact. Plus I know GLB is against it as well as it means less money for them. What I am saying is that unless GLB puts something into place that gives boosted/ceq teams more of an advantage, I see more and more Gold teams going the no-no route because it isn't as big of a disadvantage as it once was.

I don't agree with this. I'll play any team 3 levels up and CEQ advantage in the playoffs where I actually care about the game and gameplan for more than 5 minutes, I'll beat them because they won't be able to score. No guarantees on offense, you can still play defense down 3 levels and CEQ, but playing offense is almost impossible with the disadvantage.

I think this is probably most recently based on The Philoshophers doing so well this season as a no-no. I'm not certain when this was added, but if you look at their starters the fact of the matter is that about half of them have CEQ. Also, there is a HUGE advantage to building your own players. Their own clearly understands how to build dots, as the SP value is through the roof. If you compare the Bears starting QB (302.5 SP value) to TP's (294.1), it's not nearly as big of a difference as many would think (keep in mind that both wear CEQ). Couple this with the fact that he can control all tactics of his players and build exactly as he like, I don't think the gap is nearly as big as many people think. The fact of the matter is that boosting at level 7 in terms of an SP value standpoint is literally destroying your players build. Don't get me wrong, RK had to outcoordinate every team he beat this season, but not by as much as it seems...

Please don't make this me vs RK like the other issue got turned into, it isn't the case.

This is the 3rd season out of the past 4 where a No-No teams was one of the top teams in the regular season, then was very competitive in the playoffs, a trend that is growing stronger and stronger.

I just felt LE made a good point in his post and I wanted to bring it back into the light as next to no one commented on his original post.

Sorry! Wasn't trying to.


I guess I was agreeing with you in a way. The dots of an extremely well built non-boosted team arent that different come playoff time than those of a team that boosted at level 7.

Originally posted by 1kwerdna
I think this is probably most recently based on The Philoshophers doing so well this season as a no-no. I'm not certain when this was added, but if you look at their starters the fact of the matter is that about half of them have CEQ. Also, there is a HUGE advantage to building your own players. Their own clearly understands how to build dots, as the SP value is through the roof. If you compare the Bears starting QB (302.5 SP value) to TP's (294.1), it's not nearly as big of a difference as many would think (keep in mind that both wear CEQ). Couple this with the fact that he can control all tactics of his players and build exactly as he like, I don't think the gap is nearly as big as many people think. The fact of the matter is that boosting at level 7 in terms of an SP value standpoint is literally destroying your players build. Don't get me wrong, RK had to outcoordinate every team he beat this season, but not by as much as it seems...

I completely agree with this, but I still think I would have beaten the Philosophers if I had played them in the playoffs.Originally posted by Gerr
Please don't make this me vs RK like the other issue got turned into, it isn't the case.

This is the 3rd season out of the past 4 where a No-No teams was one of the top teams in the regular season, then was very competitive in the playoffs, a trend that is growing stronger and stronger.

I just felt LE made a good point in his post and I wanted to bring it back into the light as next to no one commented on his original post.

I think that competitive is one thing, if they make it to the championship game, then we'll talk.

Support is aware of this and are looking into. Something was changed when the new training system came out, boosting and no custom EQ is no where near as powerful as it once was. I can tell by playing unboosted teams it has limited effect. The way it works now is a boosted team will pull away late in the games. Probably when stamina finally gets the advantage. However no level 10 dot uncustomed should be able to catch up and solo tackle a fully boosted full energy dot on a pitch one on one.

I noticed the change in season 16. I finally put two and two together and this is when the new training system came out. A level 13 Wrs should catch a ball one on one vs a level 10 dot, unfortunately it's not the case. Unfortunately a level 10 Dot can stuff the center, slow down the Fb and make asolo tackle on the HB, yeah right that didnt happen in seasons 7-15.

Originally posted by Gerr
Please don't make this me vs RK like the other issue got turned into, it isn't the case.

This is the 3rd season out of the past 4 where a No-No teams was one of the top teams in the regular season, then was very competitive in the playoffs, a trend that is growing stronger and stronger.

I just felt LE made a good point in his post and I wanted to bring it back into the light as next to no one commented on his original post.

Not trying to make it you vs RK, but really man, everything you posted lately all seems like you're whining about getting beat. As for the topic itself. I disagree, boosting is already a HUGE advantage and shouldn't be made even bigger.

For the regular season, all you get is a +6 in your main attribute advantage, that explains why a no/no team can compete in the regular season. That isn't impossible to overcome with a no/no team with good coaching. In the playoffs it seems like the boosting team has to have bad coaching, and the no/no team has to have a GREAT gameplan, and luck to go with it.

Originally posted by Deluca0903
Not trying to make it you vs RK, but really man, everything you posted lately all seems like you're whining about getting beat. As for the topic itself. I disagree, boosting is already a HUGE advantage and shouldn't be made even bigger.

For the regular season, all you get is a +6 in your main attribute advantage, that explains why a no/no team can compete in the regular season. That isn't impossible to overcome with a no/no team with good coaching. In the playoffs it seems like the boosting team has to have bad coaching, and the no/no team has to have a GREAT gameplan, and luck to go with it.

Exactly, I never have bad coaching, but never the best, which is why I can beat those teams because I have a bend but not break philosophy when I play them.

I find it interesting that no one has adopted the strategy of waiting until after the first round of the playoffs to boost. It's been proven that it's possible to get through the first round as an unboosted team, and it might be the type of risk that teams on the cusp of a championship take to push themselves over the edge. If you lose in the first round, retire all dots, collect 100% flex back and reflect on the whole season of fun you just had for free. If you are lucky enough to make it through, you'll be at able to hit level 14.

Originally posted by 1kwerdna
I find it interesting that no one has adopted the strategy of waiting until after the first round of the playoffs to boost. It's been proven that it's possible to get through the first round as an unboosted team, and it might be the type of risk that teams on the cusp of a championship take to push themselves over the edge. If you lose in the first round, retire all dots, collect 100% flex back and reflect on the whole season of fun you just had for free. If you are lucky enough to make it through, you'll be at able to hit level 14.

Ya, I can see a lot of teams doing that, but it's a big gamble, especially if you are one of the favored teams and the underdog decides to boost for the 1st round game.

A gamble in terms of what? Flex points? nope..

If a user gets no fun out of the regular season and considers it a waste of time if he or she doesn't win in the playoffs then that person should probably find a new "hobby." I see it as a win/win

Gerr doesn't care about losing one playoff game...he's used to it

Originally posted by 1kwerdna
I find it interesting that no one has adopted the strategy of waiting until after the first round of the playoffs to boost. It's been proven that it's possible to get through the first round as an unboosted team, and it might be the type of risk that teams on the cusp of a championship take to push themselves over the edge. If you lose in the first round, retire all dots, collect 100% flex back and reflect on the whole season of fun you just had for free. If you are lucky enough to make it through, you'll be at able to hit level 14.

Too many good teams, Been a few times the 8th seed has won and moved on. I need to do a playoff page...hmmm

Originally posted by 1kwerdna
I think this is probably most recently based on The Philoshophers doing so well this season as a no-no. I'm not certain when this was added, but if you look at their starters the fact of the matter is that about half of them have CEQ. Also, there is a HUGE advantage to building your own players. Their own clearly understands how to build dots, as the SP value is through the roof. If you compare the Bears starting QB (302.5 SP value) to TP's (294.1), it's not nearly as big of a difference as many would think (keep in mind that both wear CEQ). Couple this with the fact that he can control all tactics of his players and build exactly as he like, I don't think the gap is nearly as big as many people think. The fact of the matter is that boosting at level 7 in terms of an SP value standpoint is literally destroying your players build. Don't get me wrong, RK had to outcoordinate every team he beat this season, but not by as much as it seems...

You must've missed my latest post of putting CEQ on for the UT pimps game I was no/no up until the conf game where I lost. I already made my point that I didn't originally intended to make that team competitive. But when it unexpectedly played well, I started dividing the time with the Maine grenadiers team.

No disrespect to Gerr but I felt that the explosive scat backs the Pimps had they can pretty much call 1-2 plays and win easily with the slow but all around builds we have.They pretty much have the perfect roster for this season's sim.

Since this is my last season with the philosophers and the fact I sacrificed my time with MG to make that team competitive, it would be the right thing to do to at least make it a game and not just give up and possibly a chance to put two teams in the final.
I don't think I'll have another chance like that ever even if I decide to keep that no/no team. Even if I'm yes/no it would be extremely difficult to go past the first round. Only dead.ed was able to do it.

Yeah it does seems like a silly move considering we would be at disadvantage either way. But since we got a free lvl 11 up (x1 boost for few players that didn't make it), I was like why not. We played a very competitive first half even though they won comfortably going strong in the 2nd half. So no regrets, knowing how cheap the rental CEQ are it was a pretty easy decision. I just don't think I would have that opportunity again.