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MyDecember
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what stats and such should i aim for? thx
 
MileHighShoes
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everything before speed.

Tackling to 73
Strength to 73
Vision to 73
Agility to 73
Speed to 68

All EQ in Speed.
 
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Don't waste your time in this sim. It's not worth it trust me!!! Just build an all around LB'er, ad be happy.
 
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Originally posted by FEARtheHOG
Don't waste your time in this sim. It's not worth it trust me!!! Just build an all around LB'er, ad be happy.


so you can be all around shit?
 
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Originally posted by dss02
Originally posted by FEARtheHOG

Don't waste your time in this sim. It's not worth it trust me!!! Just build an all around LB'er, ad be happy.


so you can be all around shit?


yeah, basically. To the OP's ? though, since I have a little time to explain now. The keys to FF are as follows: Momentum (speed), high Strength and Tackling (80's won't be enough at the pro level unless you play on wrap up), FF%, and MT%. Basically, what I think could possibly get you 10 FF on the pro level is about 115-120 speed, 90+ Str/Tack, 70+ agility, FF%, and probably 2 MT% pieces. Bad thing about that is you sacrifice vision and can't get agility where it truelly needs to be. That's when your in a good pro league. You may get more in a weak one. Let's face it, this sim is geared to the offensive players. Those offensive guys don't like fumbling, but like their 3k to 5k yards rushing a season, and Bort builds the sim to acommedate them.

 
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You can build a HH with better numbers with 77 vision.

The ALG's kind of suck for LB's, no good way to make a HH.
But with the HH Arche

68 str
68 tack
77 speed
73 vis
73 agi

End with 84 str
80 tack
86 spd
77 vis
75 agi

CEQ in sTR
1 Piece in Tackling
3 Pieces in spd with +12 in speed

end with

Speed 128
Strength - 90
Tackling - 90
Vision - 77
Agility - 75
Stam, Conf - 55
Jumping - 42

Start on SA's at lvl 63
4 AEQ's
2 FF%
1 MT%
1 MH

Va in Sure Tackler + MT% = safe tackling on Power

But this is a better build to do with Combo Secondary Archetypes as you get better ALG's (Speed, Strength, Tackling, Agility)
 
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Originally posted by MileHighShoes
You can build a HH with better numbers with 77 vision.

The ALG's kind of suck for LB's, no good way to make a HH.
But with the HH Arche

68 str
68 tack
77 speed
73 vis
73 agi

End with 84 str
80 tack
86 spd
77 vis
75 agi

CEQ in sTR
1 Piece in Tackling
3 Pieces in spd with +12 in speed

end with

Speed 128
Strength - 90
Tackling - 90
Vision - 77
Agility - 75
Stam, Conf - 55
Jumping - 42

Start on SA's at lvl 63
4 AEQ's
2 FF%
1 MT%
1 MH

Va in Sure Tackler + MT% = safe tackling on Power

But this is a better build to do with Combo Secondary Archetypes as you get better ALG's (Speed, Strength, Tackling, Agility)


That would be quite the accomplishment to get to those stats with having 4 fully boosted AEQ's, but you may know more than me. That would indeed be a good HH build, but your wrong about MH. It's a huge waste in current sim. As a referrence, I had a player in AA I retired who was lv 54-55 or so, that had 85 Str/tack w/ 102 speed. He also had MT%, FF%., and 8 in MH. He missed twice as many tackles as he mad FF. He had 5 FF, BTW, with 90% of them coming against CPU teams. I'm not saying it can't be done, but you definatly need a DC who can set you up for success, and those are few and far between. BTW, I only build LB'ers, and have retired more than I can remember. The only way LB'er can get any glory in this game is getting in w/ a DC who knows how to utilize a Blitzing ROLB w/ the proper build. I'm currently working on 1 who is at a lower level right now, but it still depends on if I hook up w/ a DC who can utilize him properly. The law of averages are against you w/ LB'ers. Trust me.
 
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Lol funny you should say that. I had typed out how I wouldn't even bother to build a HH MLB unless they were fast enough to be useful in coverage because they would probably not be able to do very much but I deleted it... and now here you are pretty much saying the same thing.

But Monster Hit shows up in the pBp, it's a great way to pat yourself on the back and point to somethign and say "see at least he's doing something!"

If I were to build a HH MLB though, I would have all EQ in speed just so as not to be a coverage liability and to maybe be used in zone with the hope of catching a RB on a route for the KL or FF, or hitting a WR in a crossing route. If you could build a ZF piece without it costing so much I would do that over MH and choose ZF as my bonus SA. I think a HH MLB could be deadly in zone coverage against some 5 WR sets.

And I can get thoe stats easy, ran it through the player builder just to be sure, multi train until season 6, light all the way after wards, I'm following the same plan for a couple different positions with different attributes but same .5 ALG's and same basic build plan. If I only go for 3 AEQ's I can end with 2 atts at 92 natural and 2 more at mid 80 natural. Might even be more effective than 4 AEQ's... but everyone is so hung up on 4 AEQ's that I rarely ever post my 3 AEQ build plans.
 
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My first MLB is ~level 50 right now and I began a new one to improve on. My build plan is to get strength to 73 natural, then move to tackling to 73 natural. I used bonus tokens to move strength to a 20% bonus and have used bonus tokens to a 20% bonus for tackling. Once tackling is to 73, I am going to double train vision/agility and use skill points to get agility up, while still double training. I am going to get agility to 73 and vision to 68 and then work on speed.

I am intense training strength and tackling. Double training vision/agility. Then, intense training speed to 68 or possibly 73. Plan on using all equipment in speed and get at least 2 AEQ's in Monster Hit. If I work a third one in, I don't know what that will be in yet.

I thought all equipment in speed or three pieces in speed and one in strength.
Edited by Challenge Everything on Feb 8, 2011 01:19:40
 
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MileHigh, I really like ZF in the limited amount of time I had it on a player. It worked great, but in all honesty I'd stay away from MH. It was great 3-4 seasons ago, but got nerfed or something. Here's a player that has High strength, and mid 80's tackling. He also, is maxed out in sure tackler and has DvG. I still have to play on wrapup or I'll miss tackles left and right. Note he has a total of over 1000 sp's. You'd be hard pressed to find many other LB'ers w/ that high of total sp's. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1393020.
 
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1538286&pbp_id=4124293
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1538281&pbp_id=8930007
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1538345&pbp_id=6541416

Not exactly saying you are wrong about MH, but for the record the LB does not have a FF% piece.

Originally posted by FEARtheHOG
MileHigh, I really like ZF in the limited amount of time I had it on a player. It worked great, but in all honesty I'd stay away from MH. It was great 3-4 seasons ago, but got nerfed or something. Here's a player that has High strength, and mid 80's tackling. He also, is maxed out in sure tackler and has DvG. I still have to play on wrapup or I'll miss tackles left and right. Note he has a total of over 1000 sp's. You'd be hard pressed to find many other LB'ers w/ that high of total sp's. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1393020.


So you have a High Strength 239lbs LB and your problem is? Read the Description of DvG.
Ok so how many players are your really running into that are either Heavier or stronger?
As for Sure Tackler its only use is when playing on Power Tackling, it appears that your issue is bad VAs and perhaps EQ.

 
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Originally posted by dss02
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1538286&pbp_id=4124293
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1538281&pbp_id=8930007
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1538345&pbp_id=6541416

Not exactly saying you are wrong about MH, but for the record the LB does not have a FF% piece.

Originally posted by FEARtheHOG

MileHigh, I really like ZF in the limited amount of time I had it on a player. It worked great, but in all honesty I'd stay away from MH. It was great 3-4 seasons ago, but got nerfed or something. Here's a player that has High strength, and mid 80's tackling. He also, is maxed out in sure tackler and has DvG. I still have to play on wrapup or I'll miss tackles left and right. Note he has a total of over 1000 sp's. You'd be hard pressed to find many other LB'ers w/ that high of total sp's. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1393020.


So you have a High Strength 239lbs LB and your problem is? Read the Description of DvG.
Ok so how many players are your really running into that are either Heavier or stronger?
As for Sure Tackler its only use is when playing on Power Tackling, it appears that your issue is bad VAs and perhaps EQ.



He's got 5 in DvG, and yes many powerbacks have 90 to 100 strength. It's nice you can show me examples of a FF on a KO return, and another against a WR cutting across the middle. However, the 15 Missed Tackles to 4 FF ratio is not something I look for in a player. If your proud of it then fine. I was just giving my honest opinion to the OP.
 
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Originally posted by MileHighShoes
But Monster Hit shows up in the pBp, it's a great way to pat yourself on the back and point to somethign and say "see at least he's doing something!"


 
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Originally posted by FEARtheHOG
Originally posted by dss02

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1538286&pbp_id=4124293
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1538281&pbp_id=8930007
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1538345&pbp_id=6541416

Not exactly saying you are wrong about MH, but for the record the LB does not have a FF% piece.

Originally posted by FEARtheHOG


MileHigh, I really like ZF in the limited amount of time I had it on a player. It worked great, but in all honesty I'd stay away from MH. It was great 3-4 seasons ago, but got nerfed or something. Here's a player that has High strength, and mid 80's tackling. He also, is maxed out in sure tackler and has DvG. I still have to play on wrapup or I'll miss tackles left and right. Note he has a total of over 1000 sp's. You'd be hard pressed to find many other LB'ers w/ that high of total sp's. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1393020.


So you have a High Strength 239lbs LB and your problem is? Read the Description of DvG.
Ok so how many players are your really running into that are either Heavier or stronger?
As for Sure Tackler its only use is when playing on Power Tackling, it appears that your issue is bad VAs and perhaps EQ.



He's got 5 in DvG, and yes many powerbacks have 90 to 100 strength. It's nice you can show me examples of a FF on a KO return, and another against a WR cutting across the middle. However, the 15 Missed Tackles to 4 FF ratio is not something I look for in a player. If your proud of it then fine. I was just giving my honest opinion to the OP.

The highlights were not a brag they were a demonstration of MH FFs.

I also did not mean to insult you LB just your choice of VA's, but yes I miss tackles partly due to Settings (definitely not playing on Wrap up) and partly due to positioning. For you a VA such as PT helps you make tackles in the backfield, for someone playing in the MLB or ILB positions tackles do not often occur in the backfield, furthermore bad angles and attempts at tackles while being blocked will add to these issues.

Once again I am sure you LB is great, I just disagree with any LB having DvG. Furthermore, you claim to have high strength (I assumed 90-100) which would also nulify the effects of the VA.
 
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Originally posted by dss02
Originally posted by FEARtheHOG

Originally posted by dss02


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1538286&pbp_id=4124293
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1538281&pbp_id=8930007
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1538345&pbp_id=6541416

Not exactly saying you are wrong about MH, but for the record the LB does not have a FF% piece.

Originally posted by FEARtheHOG



MileHigh, I really like ZF in the limited amount of time I had it on a player. It worked great, but in all honesty I'd stay away from MH. It was great 3-4 seasons ago, but got nerfed or something. Here's a player that has High strength, and mid 80's tackling. He also, is maxed out in sure tackler and has DvG. I still have to play on wrapup or I'll miss tackles left and right. Note he has a total of over 1000 sp's. You'd be hard pressed to find many other LB'ers w/ that high of total sp's. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1393020.


So you have a High Strength 239lbs LB and your problem is? Read the Description of DvG.
Ok so how many players are your really running into that are either Heavier or stronger?
As for Sure Tackler its only use is when playing on Power Tackling, it appears that your issue is bad VAs and perhaps EQ.



He's got 5 in DvG, and yes many powerbacks have 90 to 100 strength. It's nice you can show me examples of a FF on a KO return, and another against a WR cutting across the middle. However, the 15 Missed Tackles to 4 FF ratio is not something I look for in a player. If your proud of it then fine. I was just giving my honest opinion to the OP.


The highlights were not a brag they were a demonstration of MH FFs.

I also did not mean to insult you LB just your choice of VA's, but yes I miss tackles partly due to Settings (definitely not playing on Wrap up) and partly due to positioning. For you a VA such as PT helps you make tackles in the backfield, for someone playing in the MLB or ILB positions tackles do not often occur in the backfield, furthermore bad angles and attempts at tackles while being blocked will add to these issues.

Once again I am sure you LB is great, I just disagree with any LB having DvG. Furthermore, you claim to have high strength (I assumed 90-100) which would also nulify the effects of the VA.


No worries, you didn't insult me in any way. Like I said I was just trying to save the OP some grief in thinking a HH LB'er was going to be a stud in this sim. Personally, I think MH has been nerfed, and is a waste in the current sim, but Milehigh said it best. So, let's just leave it at that. I don't pretend I know the awswers, because this game changes season by season, and I would definatly like other SA's on some of my LB'ers, but I can't at this point in their career. It's just the nature of playing this game. Things change all the time over a 2 year period it takes to build a player.
 
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