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DirtyMike
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Aug 21, 2010 17:29:21

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Bleeds
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Aug 21, 2010 17:43:36

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Edited by Bleeds on Aug 21, 2010 17:44:12

LordEvil
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Aug 21, 2010 17:55:41

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Ya know it's because Bort is up to his old tricks again.

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"Let's see here, SBWL are now a running team, I'll just throttle up the SA meter for Passing, who's the Evil one now Biotch?"

DirtyMike
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Aug 21, 2010 18:08:28

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srry bleeds i started out covering both conferences and figured your team represented the east as well as anyone. If you look at the your game last week vs SBWL, 3 TD's because of Pump Fake taking the defender out of the play. Last I knew SBWL's are not scrubs. The point being made is that SA's are being used as an Exploit in the game mechanics. It's not personal towards you or your team or anyone elses team. I will be pumping the shit out of Pump Fake just to keep up with everyone else.

Bleeds
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Aug 21, 2010 19:09:23

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Originally posted by DirtyMike
srry bleeds i started out covering both conferences and figured your team represented the east as well as anyone. If you look at the your game last week vs SBWL, 3 TD's because of Pump Fake taking the defender out of the play. Last I knew SBWL's are not scrubs. The point being made is that SA's are being used as an Exploit in the game mechanics. It's not personal towards you or your team or anyone elses team. I will be pumping the shit out of Pump Fake just to keep up with everyone else.

a "big play" occuring 3 times out of 63 pass attempts is an exploit?

zmj44
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Aug 21, 2010 20:06:39

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Originally posted by LordEvil
Ya know it's because Bort is up to his old tricks again.

Bort
"Let's see here, SBWL are now a running team, I'll just throttle up the SA meter for Passing, who's the Evil one now Biotch?"

Dead.Ed
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Aug 21, 2010 21:28:06

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You really don't think Pump Fake is overpowered Bleeds?

Lone Star Mercs
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Aug 21, 2010 21:30:08

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Originally posted by DirtyMike
The point being made is that SA's are being used as an Exploit in the game mechanics. It's not personal towards you or your team or anyone elses team. I will be pumping the shit out of Pump Fake just to keep up with everyone else.

All games require participants to coach for advantage. You can't imply it is dishonest or in any way wrong to coach effectively. It's not like he has 12 guys on the field.

From what I can see, Bleeds is a shit hot OC with or without Pump Fake. Which, has honestly been around for longer than this season. I used it for effect last season.

Thunder66
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Aug 21, 2010 21:30:37

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Originally posted by Dead.Ed
You really don't think Pump Fake is overpowered Bleeds?

It's overpowered at the peewee level because it's set up for the higher levels. Peewee dots just can't recover in time (like higher leagues/as it was intended).

Lone Star Mercs
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Aug 21, 2010 21:34:42

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Originally posted by Thunder66
It's overpowered at the peewee level because it's set up for the higher levels. Peewee dots just can't recover in time (like higher leagues/as it was intended).

True, Dat! I just can't hate a player for playing the game

SmoothCaramel
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Aug 21, 2010 22:12:02

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I like to even out my QB's Pump Fake with WR's who can't play

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1328395&pbp_id=9796541

mccollums
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Aug 21, 2010 23:22:40

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It's overpowered right now.. but it's not as bad in the playoffs when every team has an effective level of 14.. IMO, the passing boost takes a dive somewhere around Level 13. As the passing boost degrades and the builds mature.. it's gets better. Probably still a little overpowered, but better.

Bort probably needs to give pass defenders a slight boost from Levels 1-10 - offense has too many advantages early right now. When you see top teams having 70-40 scores - it's out of balance.

DirtyMike
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Aug 21, 2010 23:46:28

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Originally posted by Lone Star Mercs
All games require participants to coach for advantage. You can't imply it is dishonest or in any way wrong to coach effectively. It's not like he has 12 guys on the field.

From what I can see, Bleeds is a shit hot OC with or without Pump Fake. Which, has honestly been around for longer than this season. I used it for effect last season.

This isn't about Bleeds or his team, I posted replays of my own team FFS so everyone stop with the implication I'm dogging Bleeds. Ya Ya all games require participants lolz, but there is nothing to counter the lopsidedness advantage that Pump Fake gives the offense. That's why I call it an exploit. I mean it's pretty simple for next season if Bort doesn't fix it, start putting SA's into Pump Fake by week 1. Sounds like fun.

Thunder66
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Aug 22, 2010 04:09:49

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Originally posted by DirtyMike
start putting SA's into Pump Fake by week 1. Sounds like fun.

Next season? ...that's what I did this season.

Bleeds
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Aug 22, 2010 05:46:41

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Originally posted by Dead.Ed
You really don't think Pump Fake is overpowered Bleeds?

i'm actually hoping that at some point someone will make a suggestion instead of simply QQing.

What is an acceptable number? Right now, its firing on roughly 10% of pass attempts for me when facing defensive backs with <30 vision, and I've invested 6 SPs in it (so its a 4 + my CE bonus). And yes, I do know how much vision LEs DBs have.

Here's a post for reference, this was at the end of last season:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4162276

So now, let's recap. PF beat LEs team 3 times on 63 pass attempts. On DBs that have <30 vision. By his own admittance, he has players on his team who haven't set tactics yet this season. And the TDs were scored by my team, who had the best big play offense before we added to SAs as well.

Its just funny, as no one was clamoring when CTown was Pump Faking guys at level 3. Or Legends of the Shoe. Or STBP. But I'm ok with you guys trying to get PF nerfed. Its not some magical pill that is going to make your offense start rocking people's faces. I don't know how much higher than 4 you plan on taking it, but right now its only firing 10% of the time against DBs who have done nothing to their builds to avoid getting faked. Once the builds round out (if people choose to actually round them out), its going to cost a heavy skill point investment to get similar results (which, according to this post is ~5% of the time).

Originally posted by DirtyMike
That's why I call it an exploit. I mean it's pretty simple for next season if Bort doesn't fix it, start putting SA's into Pump Fake by week 1. Sounds like fun.

Again, if you think its a magic passing pill, you're wrong. If you're like most PeeWee teams and pass ~30 times a game, it will fire ~3 times (based on my current data which is purely empirical). Thank god someone else here pointed out that PPM has been melting faces all season long, even before PF. But go for it, because you definitely seem to know what you're talking about and have certainly thought this through

You also haven't mentioned yet what exactly you want Bort to do to fix it....which is why your QQ rage-tear post is so entertaining. You think you're actually hiding behind the veil of a suggestion when you're not providing any numbers or the desired result other than to "make it not overpowered".

edited the stuff not relevant to the PF discussion I had at the end.

Edited by Bleeds on Aug 22, 2010 06:30:43

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