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Team:
138 tackles vs 133 Impact plays made

Impact Play being: (14 TFL + 7 sacks + 34 Hurries + 57 Pass Defense + 7 FF + 14 Ints)

Just didn't want to include Fumbles Recovered as that I didn't want to see if offensive fumbles recovered were being counted in defensive statistics. This nascent metric is spurious at best when applied to Western Conference teams having played the Scorpions.

Does this metric seem to have any validity?

Originally posted by Rod Long
Team:
138 tackles vs 133 Impact plays made

Impact Play being: (14 TFL + 7 sacks + 34 Hurries + 57 Pass Defense + 7 FF + 14 Ints)

Just didn't want to include Fumbles Recovered as that I didn't want to see if offensive fumbles recovered were being counted in defensive statistics. This nascent metric is spurious at best when applied to Western Conference teams having played the Scorpions.

Does this metric seem to have any validity?

In what aspect?
Seems like you have to take into account all sorts of situations that would matter more than, say, a hurry. For example, if you a hurry a QB and he throws a touchdown pass, it is completely negated. Further, if your CB drags a WR down by the ankles 1 yard from the end zone as time runs out, that's more of an impact than what you might call an "impact play".

I suppose you could do it at the end of the season so that all the Western Conference teams would have played the Scorpions, so that everyone would have had a chance to put up insane stats.

Originally posted by treygreen13
Originally posted by Rod Long

Team:
138 tackles vs 133 Impact plays made

Impact Play being: (14 TFL + 7 sacks + 34 Hurries + 57 Pass Defense + 7 FF + 14 Ints)

Just didn't want to include Fumbles Recovered as that I didn't want to see if offensive fumbles recovered were being counted in defensive statistics. This nascent metric is spurious at best when applied to Western Conference teams having played the Scorpions.

Does this metric seem to have any validity?

In what aspect?
Seems like you have to take into account all sorts of situations that would matter more than, say, a hurry. For example, if you a hurry a QB and he throws a touchdown pass, it is completely negated. Further, if your CB drags a WR down by the ankles 1 yard from the end zone as time runs out, that's more of an impact than what you might call an "impact play".

I suppose you could do it at the end of the season so that all the Western Conference teams would have played the Scorpions, so that everyone would have had a chance to put up insane stats.

Of course, we are going to have those frustrating plays where a ball is deflected yet caught by the WR anyway. Hate those. But other than dissecting replays, these are the numbers I have to work with.

Came from an idea when trying to use the limited numbers to classify dominant CB's. For whatever reason, we just didn't have enough info to measure the greatest of the great cornerbacks in Oceania AA#1. It stemmed from a lack of information based upon " why does the AI choose to throw at a certain CB more than another". Some formulas were tossed around based upon The amount of [(PDs + Ints)/Tackles] but even that had serious issues at debate. I can see the application problems of this metric in this league alone. Some great all-world corners seem to be thrown on no matter the situation while others end up with 0 tackles 2 PDs and maybe a pick every three games. There just isn't enough data at this point.

The only reason I commented about the other conference is that you have to compare apples to apples. Only Intraconference statistical comparison would work for this developing stat. And only for the Western conference pretty much at the end of the season after all of you guys get to balance the stat out against the gutter team.

Originally posted by Rod Long
Originally posted by treygreen13

Originally posted by Rod Long


Team:
138 tackles vs 133 Impact plays made

Impact Play being: (14 TFL + 7 sacks + 34 Hurries + 57 Pass Defense + 7 FF + 14 Ints)

Just didn't want to include Fumbles Recovered as that I didn't want to see if offensive fumbles recovered were being counted in defensive statistics. This nascent metric is spurious at best when applied to Western Conference teams having played the Scorpions.

Does this metric seem to have any validity?

In what aspect?
Seems like you have to take into account all sorts of situations that would matter more than, say, a hurry. For example, if you a hurry a QB and he throws a touchdown pass, it is completely negated. Further, if your CB drags a WR down by the ankles 1 yard from the end zone as time runs out, that's more of an impact than what you might call an "impact play".

I suppose you could do it at the end of the season so that all the Western Conference teams would have played the Scorpions, so that everyone would have had a chance to put up insane stats.

Of course, we are going to have those frustrating plays where a ball is deflected yet caught by the WR anyway. Hate those. But other than dissecting replays, these are the numbers I have to work with.

Came from an idea when trying to use the limited numbers to classify dominant CB's. For whatever reason, we just didn't have enough info to measure the greatest of the great cornerbacks in Oceania AA#1. It stemmed from a lack of information based upon " why does the AI choose to throw at a certain CB more than another". Some formulas were tossed around based upon The amount of [(PDs + Ints)/Tackles] but even that had serious issues at debate. I can see the application problems of this metric in this league alone. Some great all-world corners seem to be thrown on no matter the situation while others end up with 0 tackles 2 PDs and maybe a pick every three games. There just isn't enough data at this point.

The only reason I commented about the other conference is that you have to compare apples to apples. Only Intraconference statistical comparison would work for this developing stat. And only for the Western conference pretty much at the end of the season after all of you guys get to balance the stat out against the gutter team.

Well, that is further complicated by cross-conference games versus either the cream of the crop or against the bottom of the barrel. It wouldn't be fair, for example, for the Eastern teams to compare either because some of the East teams will draw the Scorpions in their schedule and get more insane stats.

I too have noticed that about CBs. Our consistently highest-performing CB gets thrown at all the time, but it appears to be about 50/50 that the guy was briefly open/the QB just forced it in there like Brett Favre. I really have no idea why it chooses him in such a high percentage, but it does. Now, when I do player of the game for the defense I have to start looking at other stats since he has ridiculous stats every game because of the way the game throws to him. I think it does make it hard to put together a system like this.

I think you should continue on with your work, but add impact play/total plays ratio to it as well. That way, you can compare in another dimension.