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Not to toot my own horn, but I think he's got a fairly beastly build. But the last two seasons it hasn't seemed to translate into any sort of success. I know Pancakes don't mean everything... but this is ridiculous. The low pancake total also leads me to believe that I'm not getting to the outside fast enough, even with outside blocker.

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Playing special teams is brutal. I'd guess that's reason No. 1.

The build seems good, so again I guess it's a combination of playing half your snaps on ST and playing in an extremely good league. Possibly you don't get past the NT much either if your team uses certain plays more than others.

One comment I would make is the 4 AE in quick cut would probably make much more damage if it was +4 to something on the run blocking tree - it might be worth shopping more.

I agree if you cash in the quickcut and get AE in run block, get low or pancake you will probably have a great build. Get low probably being the best SA for your build.

If you play ST you may want to invest 5 VP in distance runner. I also I am not sure about streaky. The +5% bonus is not worth the risk of a -5% imo. I am guessing your competition is solid and a -5% could ruin your day.

your VAs and AE are terrible.

My RG build is similar but he has 68 in speed and +3 in first step. Maybe just a little bit more speed will help him get outside.

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Originally posted by AngryDragon
I agree if you cash in the quickcut and get AE in run block, get low or pancake you will probably have a great build. Get low probably being the best SA for your build.

If you play ST you may want to invest 5 VP in distance runner. I also I am not sure about streaky. The +5% bonus is not worth the risk of a -5% imo. I am guessing your competition is solid and a -5% could ruin your day.

Well I have a second piece of +1 Quick Cut, +2 Blocking piece of AEQ. So the experiment there was to try and get Quick Cut to 8 and see what sort of impact it made there, especially on outside blocking.

And while I think Streaky is sort of a risk... The percentage plays in my favor, and we've played in three blowouts thus far. So don't you think I would have probably had at least one "good" game against one of those teams so far, and either way have at least more than 1.5 pancakes a game against teams we're blowing out. Although, I do think the Special Teams argument might hold some water.

Reasoning for the streaky, fwiw, is that we tried out the Slow Starter/Streaky thing on the O-line last season. Didn't really like it, so I took out the Slow Starter this season and will probably do Streaky next season. TBH not really a lot worth getting for O-line though.

I am all for experimentation.

There are a few proven VAs and SAs. So they are the obvious suggestions. I am getting to the point of trying new things t oadd to speed as well for some of my O linemen. I have a feeling that speed and agility may play a big role in creating pancakes.

I also think the O line must work as a unit. Meaning if the C and RG double team the NT they better get a pancake and move to the next level. If the RG is pulling he needs the skills to put his hands on a LB or any defender that may make a play. If he does this the pancake is not as important to me because it is not likely that he can lead the way for a 100+ speed HB all the way to the endzone. lol

Well my S1 Center is on the same team, so I've made sure for there to be some continuity there. My Center is at 26 pancakes this year, so it doesn't look like he's having this problem either.

I'm actually still training my agility up... but tbh, I feel like I got pretty good agility for someone of my strength, especially when you toss in Quick Cut. I think part of my problem is that I'm still really just not getting enough speed to get to the outside. I almost want to move a piece of EQ over to speed, but I don't think it'll be worth dropping under 110 strength to do so. I'm probably going to sink just about every SP I get for the rest of this guy's career working on getting speed up to the 74 cap

Give me a "C", give me an "O", give me an "N".....get the picture?

A guard without 68 confidence ain't gonna get it done, especially in Pro. Too much speed, not enough confidence, IMO.

Originally posted by Mediocre Turd
Give me a "C", give me an "O", give me an "N".....get the picture?

A guard without 68 confidence ain't gonna get it done, especially in Pro. Too much speed, not enough confidence, IMO.

68??? You must be joking. I think any Guard with 68 confidence is probably a mediocre turd, sorry. Especially when my aforementioned Center seems to be getting it done with 46 confidence in Pro. Maybe if he was a LG I'd invest a little more heavily in Confidence in favor of speed... but at RG it doesn't make sense. And the only reason I would invest in 50+ confidence on a LG is because LGs probably don't need more than 55ish speed, since they don't really pull ever.

Dude, his guard has 180 some pancakes last season and you're questioning him. Level doesn't matter, his production speaks volumes.

Oh, and I also have a Pro guard...who has close to 200 pancakes in 2 seasons of pro. Pancake totals went up upon entering Pro, guess which season I got confidence above 60.

But I am sure your right. It is speed, keep building it because doing the same thing but expecting different results always makes sense. LOL

I had Quick Cut and outside blocker going on with my RG as well. My thoughts were that he would get outside on screens and pitch left sweeps and dominate opening holes and dominating the LBs and CBs. Didn't work, and I gave it plenty of games. The problem was that as soon as the G got to any player to block he would stop there and block him... preventing him from getting outside when he should pull. Screen was the only time that he actually got to the outside. Since that is only going to happen in my offense about 3-4 times per game, I got that piece gone and found a +1 blocking pancake piece. Back at the top of the pancakes list for the conference. I would leave speed alone at this point, but thats how I would play that. Bort did say that confidence is the most underrated atty. In your most recent game, you were up against a level 60 NT... not easy to get pancakes against one of those.

Confidence is a primary skill for Gs. I know I capped it early for my G and am letting it naturally get to 61. Well, I am helping it out by training it lol. Anyways, somebody pointed out to me in an older discussion about confidence and the O line, that if the C has enough Line Gen SAs the rest of the line can probably live with less confidence. I am not sure how true this is. My G should have 61 confidence soon enough. If he needs more later in hs career getting to 68 should not be hard.

Originally posted by Briansong
Dude, his guard has 180 some pancakes last season and you're questioning him. Level doesn't matter, his production speaks volumes.

Oh, and I also have a Pro guard...who has close to 200 pancakes in 2 seasons of pro. Pancake totals went up upon entering Pro, guess which season I got confidence above 60.

But I am sure your right. It is speed, keep building it because doing the same thing but expecting different results always makes sense. LOL

Your guard's a LG. If I have to sit here and tell you why that makes a big difference, then this conversation was over before it even started. And his is a low level guy... and while level doesn't matter... Level of play does.


And if we're playing the LOL I HAS MOAR PANCAKES THAN U card... my Guard has 50 more pancakes in 1500 less plays than your guy throughout his career. You only have "impressive" pancake totals this season because you've been playing 73 plays per game, with none of them coming on special teams. So, if you really want to get into it, I can unabashedly assure you that my Guard would DEMOLISH your guard in every aspect of the game if we were placed in similar situations. Currently I'm playing about 32 plays per game, with half of them coming on Special Teams (where pancakes don't count anymore). Which means that on a per play basis, I'm actually getting more pancakes than you... and if I had the extra energy from not doing special teams, it'd probably be more than that.


BUT PLEASE, I INSIST, BLESS ME WITH MORE NUGGETS OF WISDOM OH WISE ONE.