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Below is my thoughts on this season's teams in the East. This was done completely objectively and the only order in the tiers was the order the conference is presently listed in on the league page.

Tier 1 (These teams will finish in the top four teams)

Memphis Aggies
Bucharest Beasts
Zheleznovodsk Chubby Wizards
Buffalo Reverends

Tier 2 (These are probable playoff teams)

Krakow Knights
Molotov Cocktail Party
Kaunas Archangels
The Transformers
FOUR HORSEMEN
Warsaw Wizards
Rochester Raccoons

Tier 3 (These teams have an outside shot at a lower playoff seed)

Siberia .50 Cal
Deutschland Dööm
Budapest Brutality

Tier 4 (These teams will not compete for a playoff spot this year)

Smashing Skulls
Slovenia Snowmen

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I don't think any team other than the top four I listed has a shot at hosting a playoff game. My pick to win the conference is the Aggies, but honestly any of the top four teams can win the conference. Expect 12+ wins from each of these teams.

It will be a dogfight among the second tier teams for the final four playoff births. All 7 are very evenly matched, and it will likely come down to multiple tiebreakers as to who gets in. Barring any minor miracle, none of these teams should net a win against the top four. I don't expect more than 9 wins out of any of these teams.

In the third tier, watch out for .50 Cal. They have proven to be a tough team when the chips are stacked against them, and could easily steal a few wins to put themselves into position to make the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed. 5 wins a piece with the except of .50 Cal who could surprise a few teams with 7 or 8 wins.

We have two rebuilding clubs in the fourth tier, who will absolutely face relegation unless one of the upper tier teams goes CPU and guts. Everyone else gets a bye week.

EDIT - I know it's called Alpha but that's stupid so I'm calling it Eastern on purpose.

Im not impressed with the teams that didnt get promoted, I think you will see at least 1 of the BBB 15 teams with home field.

With the way some of these teams coming up slow built levels are not really going to mean a whole lot and by the end of the season the gap will be smaller. I am just not ready to hand the league over to a few teams that werent good enough to promote last season.

Should be fun but I say watch out for the boys from Cybertron.

Originally posted by head1
Im not impressed with the teams that didnt get promoted, I think you will see at least 1 of the BBB 15 teams with home field.

With the way some of these teams coming up slow built levels are not really going to mean a whole lot and by the end of the season the gap will be smaller. I am just not ready to hand the league over to a few teams that werent good enough to promote last season.

Should be fun but I say watch out for the boys from Cybertron.

I like your attitude! The problem in my mind is that those teams still just have a ton of SP on the rest of the league. Assuming they didn't do something like put SP into KCK for a WR, they just have more to work with and even average builds for the level will be better than good builds for players 10 levels lower.

We in Krakow will not be deviating from our normal gameplan. If we lose 100-3 because we are holding onto SP until we can cap or are working on something else, I'm totally fine with that. If we don't make the playoffs I'm fine with that too. We are thinking long-term, building the stadium, being careful about builds. Short term glory doesn't mean anything to us.

You have a great point about builds at the end of the season, when the lower level guys have caught up a bit and you factor in boosts, but it might be too late by then.

FWIW, I think Cybertron has the best chance of all the second tier teams to beat a top tier team.

Originally posted by cwrujosh
Originally posted by head1

Im not impressed with the teams that didnt get promoted, I think you will see at least 1 of the BBB 15 teams with home field.

With the way some of these teams coming up slow built levels are not really going to mean a whole lot and by the end of the season the gap will be smaller. I am just not ready to hand the league over to a few teams that werent good enough to promote last season.

Should be fun but I say watch out for the boys from Cybertron.

I like your attitude! The problem in my mind is that those teams still just have a ton of SP on the rest of the league. Assuming they didn't do something like put SP into KCK for a WR, they just have more to work with and even average builds for the level will be better than good builds for players 10 levels lower.

We in Krakow will not be deviating from our normal gameplan. If we lose 100-3 because we are holding onto SP until we can cap or are working on something else, I'm totally fine with that. If we don't make the playoffs I'm fine with that too. We are thinking long-term, building the stadium, being careful about builds. Short term glory doesn't mean anything to us.

You have a great point about builds at the end of the season, when the lower level guys have caught up a bit and you factor in boosts, but it might be too late by then.

FWIW, I think Cybertron has the best chance of all the second tier teams to beat a top tier team.

By Cybertron you mean Kaunsas right?

Have you seen our kicker?

Originally posted by MGood030
Originally posted by cwrujosh

Originally posted by head1


Im not impressed with the teams that didnt get promoted, I think you will see at least 1 of the BBB 15 teams with home field.

With the way some of these teams coming up slow built levels are not really going to mean a whole lot and by the end of the season the gap will be smaller. I am just not ready to hand the league over to a few teams that werent good enough to promote last season.

Should be fun but I say watch out for the boys from Cybertron.

I like your attitude! The problem in my mind is that those teams still just have a ton of SP on the rest of the league. Assuming they didn't do something like put SP into KCK for a WR, they just have more to work with and even average builds for the level will be better than good builds for players 10 levels lower.

We in Krakow will not be deviating from our normal gameplan. If we lose 100-3 because we are holding onto SP until we can cap or are working on something else, I'm totally fine with that. If we don't make the playoffs I'm fine with that too. We are thinking long-term, building the stadium, being careful about builds. Short term glory doesn't mean anything to us.

You have a great point about builds at the end of the season, when the lower level guys have caught up a bit and you factor in boosts, but it might be too late by then.

FWIW, I think Cybertron has the best chance of all the second tier teams to beat a top tier team.

By Cybertron you mean Kaunsas right?

Have you seen our kicker?

Nice self-plug.

By Cybertron I mean Cybertron.

I think you have a pretty simplistic view of the game. First, only one of those "top 4" teams have 10 levels on us. Second, well built players with better game planning and great organization can beat a 10 level disadvantage over average players on teams with glaring weaknesses. So that said, I will guarantee you that there is more than 1 "upset" by the "2nd tier" teams over the "top tier" teams. In fact, if I had to wager today, I'd bet that one of the 2nd tier teams takes home the Conference Championship this season.

I don't see any team that stands out that much. There isn't any team that makes Michigan shake in fear. And I tend to agree--teams that couldn't win last year are not likely to beat the better teams who advanced from BBB.

Originally posted by GMathiasf
I think you have a pretty simplistic view of the game. First, only one of those "top 4" teams have 10 levels on us. Second, well built players with better game planning and great organization can beat a 10 level disadvantage over average players on teams with glaring weaknesses. So that said, I will guarantee you that there is more than 1 "upset" by the "2nd tier" teams over the "top tier" teams. In fact, if I had to wager today, I'd bet that one of the 2nd tier teams takes home the Conference Championship this season.

I don't have a simplistic view of the game, I have a realistic one. The top teams simply have way more SPs to work with, even if they misplaced half of them, they are still at a major advantage. What you described is a major exception to the rule - an incredibly poorly built team with a bone stupid gameplan against a perfect slow build using the best gameplan devised. Is it possible? Yes, that's why I left open the possibility for an upset.

Here, those teams are likely just to have put SP into majors and secondaries, which means far more softcap attributes than the other teams. AT THIS LEVEL, that is the most important thing. When you are talking about 40s vs. 50s, there is simply a better chance, because at the second and third caps, with increases costing +2 and +3 SP per, you can make up for it much more easily. But 25s vs. 35s? It is extremely unlikely those teams will pull off an upset.

AS FOR YOUR BET I'LL TAKE IT. We'll keep it simple, $10. You've got 7 teams to my 4.

Originally posted by cwrujosh
Originally posted by GMathiasf

I think you have a pretty simplistic view of the game. First, only one of those "top 4" teams have 10 levels on us. Second, well built players with better game planning and great organization can beat a 10 level disadvantage over average players on teams with glaring weaknesses. So that said, I will guarantee you that there is more than 1 "upset" by the "2nd tier" teams over the "top tier" teams. In fact, if I had to wager today, I'd bet that one of the 2nd tier teams takes home the Conference Championship this season.

I don't have a simplistic view of the game, I have a realistic one. The top teams simply have way more SPs to work with, even if they misplaced half of them, they are still at a major advantage. What you described is a major exception to the rule - an incredibly poorly built team with a bone stupid gameplan against a perfect slow build using the best gameplan devised. Is it possible? Yes, that's why I left open the possibility for an upset.

Here, those teams are likely just to have put SP into majors and secondaries, which means far more softcap attributes than the other teams. AT THIS LEVEL, that is the most important thing. When you are talking about 40s vs. 50s, there is simply a better chance, because at the second and third caps, with increases costing +2 and +3 SP per, you can make up for it much more easily. But 25s vs. 35s? It is extremely unlikely those teams will pull off an upset.

AS FOR YOUR BET I'LL TAKE IT. We'll keep it simple, $10. You've got 7 teams to my 4.

I dunno if you looked at this league last season but it sucked, seriously CPUs in the playoffs? Everyone of the teams that are still here got killed in the playoffs in the first round. I dont care if they do have more skill points, a solid team can handle that.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/compare_teams.pl?team1=1130&team2=4352 Seriously? Teams this level should be 54 overall easily.

The more i look at some of these teams film and their bars the more i have to agree with GMath that someone like the Transformers or another top team from below will shock everyone.

Add to all of that I dont see any of those teams with management with experience above the low level leagues.

Should they do well with their levels? Yes they should dominate, but I dont think they will.

Well Head, it would be nice if you were right I have no problems with a second tier team beating the top ones. I'd love it for us to beat a few teams with 10 levels on us.

Originally posted by head1
I dunno if you looked at this league last season but it sucked, seriously CPUs in the playoffs? Everyone of the teams that are still here got killed in the playoffs in the first round. I dont care if they do have more skill points, a solid team can handle that.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/compare_teams.pl?team1=1130&team2=4352 Seriously? Teams this level should be 54 overall easily.

The more i look at some of these teams film and their bars the more i have to agree with GMath that someone like the Transformers or another top team from below will shock everyone.

Add to all of that I dont see any of those teams with management with experience above the low level leagues.

Should they do well with their levels? Yes they should dominate, but I dont think they will.


Since you are using the Wizards as an example here, then I'm going to point out that you should do some more homework, and realize that "bars" don't mean anything. I expected more out of you head....

Since someone mentioned it, bars do not mean "nothing". The bars are mostly reflections of core underlying stats like SPD, AGL, STR, BLK, TCK, etc. Low bars generally mean 1 of 2 things:

1) Low primaries (for levels); or

2) Lack of supporting attributes (like JMP, CNF, STM, etc.)

Neither is good.

It is more accurate to say that scouting bars do not mean EVERYTHING. They certainly mean something.

No Black Sea?

Originally posted by broncohead
No Black Sea?

You guys are in Zeta (West).

Originally posted by cwrujosh
Since someone mentioned it, bars do not mean "nothing". The bars are mostly reflections of core underlying stats like SPD, AGL, STR, BLK, TCK, etc. Low bars generally mean 1 of 2 things:

1) Low primaries (for levels); or

2) Lack of supporting attributes (like JMP, CNF, STM, etc.)

Neither is good.

It is more accurate to say that scouting bars do not mean EVERYTHING. They certainly mean something.

In the case/team that is mentioned, I believe that you, or anyone else, should do some homework into the make up of the team you are talking about so maybe....just maybe....you'll understand why their bars look the way they do. It's really not a difficult problem once you actually look at the team.....