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Bort started a thread in EE A regarding shuffling. Just curious how many owners in EE AA might be interested in something similar.

People tend to have a lot of confusion on what shuffling entails. This is only a horizontal shuffle and not vertical - no one would leave AA. My understanding is that he would take the existing 128 teams in EE AA 1-4 and calculate their level using a system that measures level median and adjusts for the top 25% of your roster. Once all 128 teams are ranked he would take the top 32 and group them in AA1, the next 32 in AA2, the next 32 in AA3, and the worst 32 teams in AA4. The idea is for each AA group to play against like teams that have players of similar levels.

Now everyone will naturally chime in depending on what's best for their own team but the idea is to consider what's best for GLB and fair play. Let me know your opinion and hopefully Bort sees the thread with time.

But what about my stat padding games?

I think it's completely fair. If you look at EEBBB16 compareed to EEBBB1, it's obvious that EEBBB1 is much, much stronger. Why should a team from the former get promoted before a team from the latter simply because of the league they happened to begin in? That punishes the EEBBB1 team and rewards the EEBBB16 team for fate, not for recruiting, not for game planning, and not for anything that is under their control.

I think the shuffling is necessary on the lowest levels due to the # of CPU but at AA you would have theoretically the best 32 in AA1 and the least best in AA4. Who is to say the AA4 champ might get promoted and not be a middle of the pack team in AA1. Which is not right at all.

Roger

AA should be reshuffled as well,

At a bare minimum shuffle within EE AA like this

Take the top 25% of your team levels and average them,

Then shuffle EE AA1 to be all the teams with the highest average level
EE AA2 would be second highest
EE AA3 would be 3rd and so on

Its bullshit that there is a 20 level difference in a league, and teams with full stadiums vs teams with 2 seasons together.

Originally posted by Ditka
AA should be reshuffled as well,

At a bare minimum shuffle within EE AA like this

Take the top 25% of your team levels and average them,

Then shuffle EE AA1 to be all the teams with the highest average level
EE AA2 would be second highest
EE AA3 would be 3rd and so on

Its bullshit that there is a 20 level difference in a league, and teams with full stadiums vs teams with 2 seasons together.

If you do this then next season your going to have teams in AAA with high level differences. Since EEAA4 would get promoted to EEAAA2. You cant laterally shuffle like that. It would be different if you had teams in leagues that are 20 levels better than 12 teams in your conference. Your still going to have a good # of competitive games. Along with your gimme's

Roger

while making the individual AA leagues competitive within each other, it's going to screw-up the higher leagues next season.

after the teams get shuffled over, you have a team in AA3 with an average level of 50 and wins the championship and gets promoted to AAA2...and you have a team in AA4 with an average level of 40 and wins and gets promoted to AAA2...you still have a discrepancy of 10 levels. (levels are hypothetical to help prove the point)

so then the stronger teams get shuffled over to AAA1 to be competitive with each other and weaker teams grouped in AAA2....so you have a stronger team winning AAA1 moving upto Pro and a weaker team winning AAA2 moving upto Pro...

i agree with Roger...it's not right for a strong team to get stuck in a league while weaker teams are winning and getting promoted.

I think it's needed, but then again there's some good rivalries I don't want to lose. I'd hate to see teams like Blaze, Mafia, Thundercats in a different EEAA league

Originally posted by glassmatica
I think it's needed, but then again there's some good rivalries I don't want to lose. I'd hate to see teams like Blaze, Mafia, Thundercats in a different EEAA league

very true we'd hate to beat the River rats simply beacuase they were in a lower tier class!

I guess it could be set-up so that the lower level part (for example EE AA3 and 4) would not get promoted up to AAA at the end of the season but promoted horizontally to AA1 or 2. Hence the only teams moving up would come from AA1 or 2.

None of this has to happen this season - just trying to generate ideas for a future solution to the issue

The problem with that Xaviers is that if you only promote out of that league you might need 6, 8, 10 teams and then you are asking the question "is the 5th best team in AA1 better than the 1st place team in AA4"

To me the idea thing to do, and this likely isnt possible as it might take quite a bit of time for Bort and co., is to rank all the teams by level in AA and hand them out 1 by 1 to each league. Top team AA1 second team AA2 and so on. All the way down the line. What this would do is make each league equal. You would still have some blowouts, but there wont be a league of 1-2 superior teams and a bunch that arent and vice versus.

Roger

Originally posted by Roger6363
The problem with that Xaviers is that if you only promote out of that league you might need 6, 8, 10 teams and then you are asking the question "is the 5th best team in AA1 better than the 1st place team in AA4"

To me the idea thing to do, and this likely isnt possible as it might take quite a bit of time for Bort and co., is to rank all the teams by level in AA and hand them out 1 by 1 to each league. Top team AA1 second team AA2 and so on. All the way down the line. What this would do is make each league equal. You would still have some blowouts, but there wont be a league of 1-2 superior teams and a bunch that arent and vice versus.

Roger

+1

Leave AA and above alone. Things SHOULD sort themselves out over the next season or two with reshuffling BBB and A.

Originally posted by bighoppa67
Leave AA and above alone. Things SHOULD sort themselves out over the next season or two with reshuffling BBB and A.

So you are saying it's fair for a lvl 29 team to come here and not win a game for "a season or two" while things "should sort out"? Seems unfair for a lvl 29 team to have to die here for 2 seasons and hope things "sort out".

I wouldn't mind playing against teams 5 or even 10 levels above us... but this whole league is about what... level 50 or so??? That's about 21 levels difference. But I guess even though we are paying customers in this game, we should just keep paying even though we have no chance of winning... at least for 2 seasons while it "sorts itself out".

And actually the promoted teams (CKT, CY, DB) in reality already sat out last season because the Smexies (lvl 45-50) were in our league which was suggested levels of 22-34. So we were all playing for 2nd in the conference... without even a chance at a silver medal.

So we basically "sat out" last season, and now we get promoted to a league full of "Smexie caliber or better" teams... and we are just supposed to sit around a couple more seasons while things sort out???

Absolutely ridiculous.