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With the Isotopes folding, Grueso and Githinji look to be needing a team this offseason. As well, another DE, Manny Calavera, has been playing opponents 4-10 levels higher than him all season long, and needs a league that more appropriately fits his level.

That's a total of 3 DEs, and nearly 90 sacks that need somewhere to go.

In corner number one, we have Manny Calavera, who has been playing with a team for two seasons that decided they not only wont start him, but wont pay for his equip, and wont let him move to a league that better fits his level. The result? Only 8 sacks. But easily the best DE of the three.
Manny Calavera (8 sacks) *needs equip $$$*
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=514015&playoffs=0

In corner number two, we have the reigning sack champ of EEA#8, the man with more sacks against computers than your local Madden guru, Gruuueesssooo the Sick/overrated/one hit wonder.
Grueso The Sick (56 sacks)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=500489&playoffs=0

And lastly, in the final corner (it's a triangle ring, it's progressive, shut up) we have the youngest of the group, African-born Githinji "the quiet warrior butcher" Kamau.
Githinji Kamaeu (22 sacks)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=635632&playoffs=0

I'm looking for a team within this league.

I'm a team player. I just have two conditions.

I don't share my build, not even with the Owner. I just don't. If that's not ok with you, that's fine, I understand, but that's just how I roll. I can let you know who would be better suited for which side and what not. I have no problem giving advice.

The other condition is that you don't trade me to the Cubicles, or the Dragons, because I want to kick both of their butts this season :O

Looking to move a minimum of two of these DEs to a team in this league. I'd like to get all three, but I'm sure some of you don't have the room.

dlight, i want you to know i think you're funny, in a stupid kinda way, but i still like you. but i'm really hungry and waiting for my food so i need to take it out on you at the moment.

Originally posted by DLight03
I'm a team player. I just have two conditions.

I don't share my build, not even with the Owner.
LOL LOL LOL LOL

you seriously crack me up to no end :] hey do you know what happened when one of the cubes did really well in his position? he shared his build with the other guys, we discussed it as a team, and then some others made some adjustments. and then our team improved :] yay!

oh wait.. perhaps i'm just not familiar with what you mean by "team player"

hmm.. maybe its important enough to just have individual stats. i mean seriously.. 56 sacks is a lot! grueso even finished #1, not just in the conf, but in the league! ahead of ellis' 55. and even higher than the cubes guys, sackz (38) and rufus (36). sackz and rufus are such whiners anyway.

hmm.. i wonder what happens if we only look at stats against *playoff teams* ... i wonder if it would look any different. lets see how grueso/sackz/rufus did against the pythons/raiders/dragons/wolverines/marauders/dawgs..

sack count:

sackz 6, rufus 7




grueso 3

omg how could that possibly be?? what do you mean grueso doesnt perform well against good teams? are you saying the cubicles rest their starters against shitty teams cuz they dont desperately need to stat pad? do you mean sackz and rufus perform just as well against the top teams in the league? while all of grueso's sacks come from the bottom? thats just crazy talk.

no seriously. dlight is good people. someone should pick his guys up.

and then trade them to the cubes. i personally guarantee we will purposely throw our game against [insert your team here] if you trade them to us for min $

False! I have seen Greueso's build

so now you wanna add liar to the list of his faults? ;]

I can pretty much guarantee that no perennial winner has players on their team that don't share their build.

Everyone knows what it takes to make a DE in GLB that can get ridiculous amount of sacks. Have fun next season though when your high agility isn't going to get you around those blocks.

Originally posted by IggyWH
I can pretty much guarantee that no perennial winner has players on their team that don't share their build.

Everyone knows what it takes to make a DE in GLB that can get ridiculous amount of sacks. Have fun next season though when your high agility isn't going to get you around those blocks.

+1

Agility+++

you wont share your build even with an owner?? wow you suck, good lucking finding a team that will put up with your ass

Originally posted by "lol"
hmm.. i wonder what happens if we only look at stats against *playoff teams* ... i wonder if it would look any different. lets see how grueso/sackz/rufus did against the pythons/raiders/dragons/wolverines/marauders/dawgs..

I noticed you didn't look too deeply into any of that.

For the record, Grueso had 3 sacks against the Thrashers, who were definitely a top-tier playoff team, which I noticed you didn't mention. He had 2 sacks against the Dragons in the playoffs. And did you know when Grueso played the Dragons in the regular season, he didn't get any sacks, but his brother Githinji got 4 (more than both of your DEs combined)? You know, the guy that is built the same way as Grueso (just not quite as good)?

Did you mention the fact that the Pythons and Cubicle games where he got one sack, were the very first and second games of the season? Before anyone boosted and when he was very low level (I'm assuming you know how to build good DEs, and you know development is very important for production).

Against the Wolverines where he got one sack, his brother Githinji also had 2.
When you played the Wolverines, your DEs had less sacks than ours did.

Grueso and Githinji couldn't do a thing against the Rome Raiders... but neither could you when you registered one sack against them in the playoffs and they became Zeta champs... or in the regular season when you registered zero (a little hypocritical to mention them, I'd say).

Have you considered drawing a connection between the fact that in most games where Grueso doesn't do anything, Githinji usually does? Have you ever considered that matchups allow one or the other to reach the QB faster?

It's also interesting you say you "rest your starters" against bad teams instead of "padding stats," when Rufus had 92 plays against Orange Blood Nation to record 7 sacks (Grueso played 76 plays and had 19 sacks...)... so they "rest" because of what, one game against Es Cargo where Rufus had 7 plays (which I highly doubt was anything more than a mistake... no one is going to give their DE 7 plays and take away all that experience on purpose).

Obviously his numbers are inflated by the completion (although everyone has a theoretically equal opportunity to play the same teams in the East), and I don't recall ever stating otherwise, but to say he can't perform against good teams, when he has, is pretty misleading, especially when in many of those very same games, you have performed just the same, and in some examples, worse.

Originally posted by IggyWH
I can pretty much guarantee that no perennial winner has players on their team that don't share their build.

When I was on the Chicago Mustangs with my linebacker there were probably two people on the whole team that shared their build.

here is where you went wrong (on pretty much everything)

Originally posted by DLight03
Originally posted by "lol"

hmm.. i wonder what happens if we only look at stats against *playoff teams* ... i wonder if it would look any different. lets see how grueso/sackz/rufus did against the pythons/raiders/dragons/wolverines/marauders/dawgs..

I noticed you didn't look too deeply into any of that.

For the record, Grueso had 3 sacks against the Thrashers, who were definitely a top-tier playoff team, which I noticed you didn't mention.
um how would you like to me to mention that? we didnt play them. who am i supposed to compare them to? we already know alpha sucks, and on a suckass conference, they didnt make it out of round 2. i did a team-by-team comparison.

Originally posted by
He had 2 sacks against the Dragons in the playoffs. And did you know when Grueso played the Dragons in the regular season, he didn't get any sacks, but his brother Githinji got 4 (more than both of your DEs combined)? You know, the guy that is built the same way as Grueso (just not quite as good)?
did you want me to include githinji's numbers in this? you seemed so amped up with your 56 sack guy, but sure.

against playoff teams:
rufus 7
sackz 6
githinji 5
grueso 3

these numbers arent skewed. i didnt purposely select 6 teams to compare where our guys did better. there are opponents (eg. wolverines) where your guys did better. its an overall comparison, head-to-head, with the same matchups, against the same teams.

Originally posted by
Did you mention the fact that the Pythons and Cubicle games where he got one sack, were the very first and second games of the season? Before anyone boosted and when he was very low level (I'm assuming you know how to build good DEs, and you know development is very important for production).
you want me to make a note that he got one sack early on? are you serious? does that mean they're worth less? so uh.. both sackz and rufus had sacks against the pythons at the end of the season.. do they get extra points for those? we also played the isotopes and dragons in the 1st 2 games. do they get extra points for those sacks too?

Originally posted by
Against the Wolverines where he got one sack, his brother Githinji also had 2.
When you played the Wolverines, your DEs had less sacks than ours did.
uh .. duh? when you compare a single game, of course some will be higher, and some will be lower. i bet you might win if you compared "sacks only in the 2nd quarter, on 3rd downs" as well. thats why the point is to go head-to-head against a group of (good) teams.

Originally posted by
Grueso and Githinji couldn't do a thing against the Rome Raiders... but neither could you when you registered one sack against them in the playoffs and they became Zeta champs... or in the regular season when you registered zero (a little hypocritical to mention them, I'd say).
right? i'm not sure what your point is here. i included the raiders in all 4 counts.

Originally posted by
Have you considered drawing a connection between the fact that in most games where Grueso doesn't do anything, Githinji usually does? Have you ever considered that matchups allow one or the other to reach the QB faster?
um.. of course. but we play the same matchups, so whats your point?

one more thing. see i didnt want to embarrass you here. for half the season, sackz and rufus played the same position. which means they were basically playing half the time your guys were. if you dont believe me:

total plays in the regular season:
- grueso 796
- githinji 756
- rufus 650
- sackz 581

less plays. better numbers, against the top teams.

Originally posted by "lol"
one more thing. see i didnt want to embarrass you here. for half the season, sackz and rufus played the same position. which means they were basically playing half the time your guys were.

Well that's an interesting way to skew stats.

Individual players can garner more sacks playing back to back, not less.

Why? Because on plays where you break past an OT to grab a sack, there is always a chance the other DE across from you may have done the same, and beat you there. That already takes out several sacks on the season playing with a good DE across from you. If Grueso wasn't across from Githinji, for example, he'd have at least 30-35 sacks.

That's not even counting the fact that you can't have two hurries in a play. Which means you very well could have "hurried" the QB, but the other DE who is also getting pressure registered the hurry.

DEs back to back = more sacks and hurries. But we always played ours at the same time, because while you may get less sacks/hurries in the game, you have a greater chance of making an impact on plays where they are both involved.

Originally posted by "lol"
um how would you like to me to mention that? we didnt play them. who am i supposed to compare them to? we already know alpha sucks, and on a suckass conference, they didnt make it out of round 2. i did a team-by-team comparison.

Why would I want you to mention that? Because you are questioning the quality of the player. Don't you think performances in the playoffs and against quality teams should go into the evaluation of "how they performed against playoff teams." It's not about similar competition that your DEs and mine have played. I really don't care about that. It's about how they performed against quality opponents... And clearly, they have performed respectably.

Originally posted by "lol"
uh .. duh? when you compare a single game, of course some will be higher, and some will be lower. i bet you might win if you compared "sacks only in the 2nd quarter, on 3rd downs" as well. thats why the point is to go head-to-head against a group of (good) teams.

My point is that it's just funny you say Grueso/Githinji don't perform well against playoff teams... and yet many of the teams you mentioned you performed the same, or worse. And teams like the Dragons that you mention, Grueso performed against in the playoffs, and Githinji performed as well as both your DEs combined in the regular season.

The question is, can they perform against quality opponents. That seems to be the main question. Unless this is some weird ego trip about how your DEs are better than my DEs (not sure where the insecurity came from there... but if that's your beef, that's your business).

Originally posted by DLight03
DEs back to back = more sacks and hurries. But we always played ours at the same time, because while you may get less sacks/hurries in the game, you have a greater chance of making an impact per-play.

LOL

do you realize.. how.. stupid that sounds?

10 plays. we play b2b. you play both.

we have EXACTLY 10 OPPORTUNITIES to get a sack. if sackz misses, thats that. if the offense makes 10 successful blocks, then sackz cannot get a sack.

you have EXACTLY 20 OPPORTUNITIES to get a sack. if g1 misses, g2 can get a sack. if g2 misses, g1 can get a sack. if the offense makes 10 successful blocks, YOU CAN STILL GET 10 SACKS

you're right, you cant register hurries into it. but um.. i've never mentioned it. do you want to do a hurries comparison too?

i like what you did though..

1- where i smashed up every argument you had, you realize you lost and so focus on 1 thing.

2- so your argument is that.. you get more sacks if you have.. less plays

i'm not sure what else i can add here.

Originally posted by "lol"
we have EXACTLY 10 OPPORTUNITIES to get a sack. if sackz misses, thats that. if the offense makes 10 successful blocks, then sackz cannot get a sack.

you have EXACTLY 20 OPPORTUNITIES to get a sack. if g1 misses, g2 can get a sack. if g2 misses, g1 can get a sack. if the offense makes 10 successful blocks, YOU CAN STILL GET 10 SACKS

That logic is wrong in its very foundation because Grueso/Githinji don't play TWICE AS MUCH just because they both start.

Your very own statistics show they don't play twice as much.

In fact, the total numbers are fairly close. 1551 total plays to 1231. And that would be a lot closer if you didn't mistakenly mess up Rufus' plays against Es Car go, where he only got 7 plays.

*NO, NO, NO ... I'm the best turd in the toilet.*

Sheesh, give it a rest. Much like bacardi's predictions, this thread = FAIL.