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Is 48 speed to much for a LT? I have 43 right now and I'm not sure if those extra 5 points are worth it.

Thanks

There is no value in rushing speed to the softcap because you don't gain anything per level on it. That said, spending 2:1 on speed is probably overkill, so 48 is where you will want to stop, and the more the better - so 48 IS ideal. The question is if you could be better off doing other things first, which is likely the case if you haven't capped everything else that you'll want to.

Originally posted by Octowned
There is no value in rushing speed to the softcap because you don't gain anything per level on it. That said, spending 2:1 on speed is probably overkill, so 48 is where you will want to stop, and the more the better - so 48 IS ideal. The question is if you could be better off doing other things first, which is likely the case if you haven't capped everything else that you'll want to.

Right. It really depends on where your other skills are. If you haven't reached 68 natural on strength, blocking, and agility, there is no need to worry too much about speed. I'd probably get my stamina up to 48 before speed. And vision and confidence as well. The more I think about, just ignore speed until you retire. You have plenty. Unless you get into the high 40 levels and can see that your speed value is hurting you. But your speed should be fine for now and you have other attributes and SA's that would help you more.

Hey kbl.

Yes, you definitely want to get speed up to 48 to deal with the speed rushers. You know what they're like.

It should wait until the major stats are double-capped, but it ought to be a priority somewhere on the list.

My experimental build has capped agility, and that has helped. Playing on normal, he has not given up one sack or hurry...i have ben paying attention. My blocking is only 32, but strength is a natural 57.

I also have quick cut and I think it works: I am the RT
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=186539&pbp_id=9131107
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=186539&pbp_id=9133463

My speed is still anemic. It will get lots of attention once I get my strength to the second cap.

Then again, maybe its my agility. But it helps take those choppy steps to not get off balance and stay in front of the defender. I am waiting for first step so I can initiate contact faster on run plays. Maybe it will help on pass plays...anything that makes me move faster from a stop.

Are you getting beat by speed rushers?

a good offensive lineman at any spot really only needs 30-35 speed. and that's counting a pulling right guard. So I think you may have wasted some there. I trained mine up to 31 and It's fine. still training it here and there actually.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
a good offensive lineman at any spot really only needs 30-35 speed. and that's counting a pulling right guard. So I think you may have wasted some there. I trained mine up to 31 and It's fine. still training it here and there actually.

that's debateable. Deebo would certainly thrash any OT with no more than 35 speed unless they had 90 agility. There's no absolute numbers that work. It's all dependent on your level of competition.

You couldn't be more wrong, underdogs.

These two DEs have feasted on LTs that work under your assumptions:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=116138

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=71920

Feasted, but still to shy to show the builds? I think they've just been around longer then the rest of us.

Originally posted by rekcuf
You couldn't be more wrong, underdogs.

These two DEs have feasted on LTs that work under your assumptions:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=116138

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=71920

bull crap,besides str and blocking, agility, confidence, and stamina ,are the key to stopping D.e's. Speed has very little to do with the equation for one. and any tackle with double capped agility basically just stays in front of the d.e. no matter if he spins or rips or whatever he tries to do. I watch countless replays daily. don't assume I'm right. But certainly don't assume I'm wrong.
I would much rather have capped confidence, double capped agility, and possibly capped stamina (or vision). Leaving speed at 30 is just enough to train it to relatively quickly, without having to spend a point in it. all that speed for a D.E. is nothing if you can't get by. It's NOTHING. which makes the Rise of the agility builds so hard to deal with.

09/22/2008 at Port Moresby Titans W 88-0
09/24/2008 Hong Kong Highlanders W 24-17
09/26/2008 at Taiwan Blood Pandas L 17-30
09/28/2008 Bangkok Tweetys W 24-21
09/30/2008 at Krakatoan Red Warriors W 46-10
10/02/2008 Shanghai Shaolin Monks W 64-10
10/04/2008 at MAKATI RED ROBINS W 84-7
10/06/2008 Manila Warlords W 54-9
10/08/2008 at Peking Stampede W 187-0
10/10/2008 Ho Chi Mean Hot Mamas L 6-20
10/12/2008 at Johor Bahru Beach Bums W 68-7
10/14/2008 Guangzhou Ducks W 34-20
10/16/2008 at Metro Heroes W 54-23
10/18/2008 at 4077th M*A*S*H W 187-0
10/20/2008 Kentucky Colonels W 62-7
10/22/2008 Singapore Marauders W 27-21

It's kind of amusing you would even use people's elbow as an example. 84 sacks really isn't much considering he's on one of the best teams in that conference. I see 17 sacks alone coming from 2 games in which the team has been gutted, quite recently. the team won most of their games easily. and he only got 4 sacks when the team lost in two games.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=30883

This guy laughed at the second one. Surprisingly enough the team he is on is doing way better. Not a lot of people know how to build linemen.(Just assume that str and blocking is all you need.) He probably does know how to build a good lineman.

Again, you are wrong. A number of the Elbow's sacks came against my LT, who had agility in the 50's. That's not 60, but it's not grounds for prison abuse either.

You would think speed would have very little to do with it, as the tackle operates in such a small space. Agility is everything. Makes sense.

But that's not how it played out. Speed matters in quickness too.

When I got my speed up to about 40 Haufu Gurugatuppa had a much harder time getting around me. I was able to repeatedly engage him in a way I wasn't able to earlier in the season against the Elbow. Haufu still got by me for two sacks, though.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142714&pbp_id=4773997

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142714&pbp_id=4779279

Agility isn't enough. Why do you think confidence is the answer? My morale has never dipped below 97.

And I am not sure why the People's Elbow's record of success should preclude him as an example of a player who successfully beats standard built tackles. Part of the reason they win so many games is becuase he's so disruptive in the pass game. If you could neutralize him, then you could move the ball consistently though the air. The question is how to neutralize him. Again, agility was not enough for me to do that. You say it's confidence or another 5 points in agility. Color me skeptical.

Dudly, to your point about builds, notice that both started to really rack up the sacks when Evasive Rushing was instituted. When they zip by my LT, it's not because he was clubbed with strength. Quite the opposite, I'm sure. He'd love for them to sit still so that he could body slam their puny little fast twitch frames.

Originally posted by rekcuf
Again, you are wrong. A number of the Elbow's sacks came against my LT, who had agility in the 50's. That's not 60, but it's not grounds for prison abuse either.

You would think speed would have very little to do with it, as the tackle operates in such a small space. Agility is everything. Makes sense.

But that's not how it played out. Speed matters in quickness too.

When I got my speed up to about 40 Haufu Gurugatuppa had a much harder time getting around me. I was able to repeatedly engage him in a way I wasn't able to earlier in the season against the Elbow. Haufu still got by me for two sacks, though.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142714&pbp_id=4773997

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=142714&pbp_id=4779279

Agility isn't enough. Why do you think confidence is the answer? My morale has never dipped below 97.

And I am not sure why the People's Elbow's record of success should preclude him as an example of a player who successfully beats standard built tackles. Part of the reason they win so many games is becuase he's so disruptive in the pass game. If you could neutralize him, then you could move the ball consistently though the air. The question is how to neutralize him. Again, agility was not enough for me to do that. You say it's confidence or another 5 points in agility. Color me skeptical.

Dudly, to your point about builds, notice that both started to really rack up the sacks when Evasive Rushing was instituted. When they zip by my LT, it's not because he was clubbed with strength. Quite the opposite, I'm sure. He'd love for them to sit still so that he could body slam their puny little fast twitch frames.

Two words for you have proven to put speed DE's in there place for my team.... SHOCK BLOCK