Alright, I'm still pretty new to GLB, and there's probably a thread like this somewhere, but I haven't found it...
I'm trying to build a player who is a capable ball-stripper while still being able to make 90% of his tackles. Naturally, being under level 20 still, and trying to do two contrary things, he's had issues, so I'm trying to figure out how much of a bonus to tackling "Wrap-up" personal tactics gives a player.
In our playoff game today, my level 19 SS missed 2 of his 4 tackles, his tackling is 46, str is 46, vision 25 (low I know), 20 confidence (also low), 48 speed and 36 agility, with at least 3 in all his hard hitter SA's and 2 change direction & super vision, so you guys know what I'm working with here. I had his tackling settings on Balanced, and he was playing Hard. Substitution settings for our team were 90/95. He missed tackles against a level 16 HB (appears power) and a level 19 HB (appears power/combo), and also succeeded in tackling the latter twice. Throughout this season, my SS lead our team in tackles and missed tackles, I mostly had him on wrap-up, but switched to balanced or even power tackling when going against weaker competition, to see what kind of success he had.
Also in our game today, one of our backup DE's, level 13, 30 str, 30 tackling, 36 speed, 48 agi, 27 vision, 24 confidence, no important SA's went 6/6 in making tackles. He tackled the level 19 combo back , a level 16 (agility?) HB 3 times, the level 16 (power?) HB, and a level 12 CB on STeams. I assume he was on Wrap-up and playing normal.
Same game today, our level 17 FS was 5/5 tackling - 24 str, 27 tackling, 60 speed, 39 agility, 27 vision, 17 confidence, 2 in most SA's. He was on Wrap-up and playing Hard. He tackled the level 19 HB twice, a level 18 TE twice, and a level 18 WR.
Comparing the two safeties, the SS has almost twice as much str and tackling, and failed half the time vs what I'd guess is about the same str/agility opposition that the FS tackled without incident. What I'm seeing is that wrap-up gives better than a 50% bonus to tackling. I realize I've only cited examples from one game, but similar things happened throughout the season, and probably the most glaring incident was the first game of the regular season for our team (mostly level 10-13), against a team of all level 1 humans (slow-build team). I had my SS set to power tackling, and his str and tackling at the time were about 30 if I remember right. He missed 2/3 of his tackles, all vs. TE's, so I can understand, even a level 1 TE could have 30+ str...
Another strange thing was that the FS I mentioned above, with low str, tacklingm no points in Big Hit SA and playing on wrap-up the whole season, forced more fumbles than did the SS who is among the strongest and best tackling (according to stats) defenders on the team and who has 4 points in Big Hit and 3 in Monster Hit.
Shouldn't the tackling styles use different stats to determine how you attempt a tackle? Power should be more useful for a guy with very high strength, and be a better counter for a guy's forward progress, while wrap up should mean you're more likely to make the tackle, but also give up an extra yard or three while the guy's momentum continues forward.
Since this is after all (allegedly) a Beta game, could I get some input from the rest of you playtesters?
I'm trying to build a player who is a capable ball-stripper while still being able to make 90% of his tackles. Naturally, being under level 20 still, and trying to do two contrary things, he's had issues, so I'm trying to figure out how much of a bonus to tackling "Wrap-up" personal tactics gives a player.
In our playoff game today, my level 19 SS missed 2 of his 4 tackles, his tackling is 46, str is 46, vision 25 (low I know), 20 confidence (also low), 48 speed and 36 agility, with at least 3 in all his hard hitter SA's and 2 change direction & super vision, so you guys know what I'm working with here. I had his tackling settings on Balanced, and he was playing Hard. Substitution settings for our team were 90/95. He missed tackles against a level 16 HB (appears power) and a level 19 HB (appears power/combo), and also succeeded in tackling the latter twice. Throughout this season, my SS lead our team in tackles and missed tackles, I mostly had him on wrap-up, but switched to balanced or even power tackling when going against weaker competition, to see what kind of success he had.
Also in our game today, one of our backup DE's, level 13, 30 str, 30 tackling, 36 speed, 48 agi, 27 vision, 24 confidence, no important SA's went 6/6 in making tackles. He tackled the level 19 combo back , a level 16 (agility?) HB 3 times, the level 16 (power?) HB, and a level 12 CB on STeams. I assume he was on Wrap-up and playing normal.
Same game today, our level 17 FS was 5/5 tackling - 24 str, 27 tackling, 60 speed, 39 agility, 27 vision, 17 confidence, 2 in most SA's. He was on Wrap-up and playing Hard. He tackled the level 19 HB twice, a level 18 TE twice, and a level 18 WR.
Comparing the two safeties, the SS has almost twice as much str and tackling, and failed half the time vs what I'd guess is about the same str/agility opposition that the FS tackled without incident. What I'm seeing is that wrap-up gives better than a 50% bonus to tackling. I realize I've only cited examples from one game, but similar things happened throughout the season, and probably the most glaring incident was the first game of the regular season for our team (mostly level 10-13), against a team of all level 1 humans (slow-build team). I had my SS set to power tackling, and his str and tackling at the time were about 30 if I remember right. He missed 2/3 of his tackles, all vs. TE's, so I can understand, even a level 1 TE could have 30+ str...
Another strange thing was that the FS I mentioned above, with low str, tacklingm no points in Big Hit SA and playing on wrap-up the whole season, forced more fumbles than did the SS who is among the strongest and best tackling (according to stats) defenders on the team and who has 4 points in Big Hit and 3 in Monster Hit.
Shouldn't the tackling styles use different stats to determine how you attempt a tackle? Power should be more useful for a guy with very high strength, and be a better counter for a guy's forward progress, while wrap up should mean you're more likely to make the tackle, but also give up an extra yard or three while the guy's momentum continues forward.
Since this is after all (allegedly) a Beta game, could I get some input from the rest of you playtesters?
It looks like our team never forced a fumble hitting a WR all season, one on a TE, one on a QB and the rest on HB's, including scrimmages and playoffs.
