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Nixx
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Originally posted by CWD40
If you test and show unmatched and it comes back with Yes on everything except matched down and matched yards to go does that mean it won't recognize?

A lot of mine have no on matched down, but those are ones that were already set. Just wondering what all this stuff means.


Seems pretty self explanatory to me. If there are any 'No' then it won't run that input in the situation that you are testing.
 
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I know it's a ways away but is there ever going to be options to like on 3rd and short put in your backup QB and do Play Action QB Boot, because he's a scrambler. Is that kind of control ever looking to be implemented?
 
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If I have "Follow my AI EXACTLY, even when there is no match (use with caution!)" checked, and it comes to a situation "say 1st and 10 from the Opp 18 with under 4 minutes left to play and down by 3) for which I do not have an input (or subsequent output),

then my understanding is it will go to my basic settings, say 35% Pass (15% to TE, 85% to WR, 50% Medium/50% Long) and 65% run (75% out/25% in), and execute the next play based on those settings? Can anyone confirm that, I am hearing that having the box checked could have negative consequences if you do not have inputs for all situations?

I was always under the impression that by checking that, I was assured that when I was in a specific situation, I knew what specifically was going to occur based on my output?
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Originally posted by Yankee Skipper
If I have "Follow my AI EXACTLY, even when there is no match (use with caution!)" checked, and it comes to a situation "say 1st and 10 from the Opp 18 with under 4 minutes left to play and down by 3) for which I do not have an input (or subsequent output),

then my understanding is it will go to my basic settings, say 35% Pass (15% to TE, 85% to WR, 50% Medium/50% Long) and 65% run (75% out/25% in), and execute the next play based on those settings? Can anyone confirm that, I am hearing that having the box checked could have negative consequences if you do not have inputs for all situations?

I was always under the impression that by checking that, I was assured that when I was in a specific situation, I knew what specifically was going to occur based on my output?


Yep, it will go to basic settings. What it won't do is make decisions on what to do for you beyond just choosing a play based on your percentages. It won't punt or kick a FG or force your FB to run, etc.
 
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Bort, just on that...

If I have the "follow AI exactly" checked ON....if I have inputs/outputs for downs 1 and 2, but deliberately leave 3rd down out, would it resort to my basic settings AND ALSO use football logic? Like if it was 3rd and 1 it will do a FB rush, but if it was 3rd and 8 it will know it has to pass? Or will it just "stupidly" look at 50-50 run-pass setting and just randomly decide to run on 3rd and long?

If I have the "follow AI exactly" checked OFF....again same scenario, if I have inputs/outputs for 1st and 2nd down, but deliberately leave 3rd down out, would it resort to my basic settings AND use football logic to determine the best play, like 3rd and 8 it wont rush the FB randomly?

What I'm asking is if I want to create a range of generic 1st and 2nd down inputs/outputs, but deliberately leave 3rd down out so that I force the AI to resort to basic playcalling AND ALSO use football logic, is it ok to have the "follow my AI exactly" box checked ON?

 
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Originally posted by Bort

Double check your inputs:

I've seen some inputs created with downs 1-4 entered when people actually wanted only 2nd down, or no scores entered when they wanted it to be only when trailing, etc.

Fields to watch especially:

Down
Score
# Receivers (0 - 6 is the default; make sure you change it or it will match every single play!)


I have yet to find the fabled "# Receivers" option. Anyone point me in the right direction?
 
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Originally posted by Arya Stark
Originally posted by Bort


Double check your inputs:

I've seen some inputs created with downs 1-4 entered when people actually wanted only 2nd down, or no scores entered when they wanted it to be only when trailing, etc.

Fields to watch especially:

Down
Score
# Receivers (0 - 6 is the default; make sure you change it or it will match every single play!)



I have yet to find the fabled "# Receivers" option. Anyone point me in the right direction?


It's on your Defensive AI inputs.
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Originally posted by Troymk1
Originally posted by Arya Stark

Originally posted by Bort



Double check your inputs:

I've seen some inputs created with downs 1-4 entered when people actually wanted only 2nd down, or no scores entered when they wanted it to be only when trailing, etc.

Fields to watch especially:

Down
Score
# Receivers (0 - 6 is the default; make sure you change it or it will match every single play!)



I have yet to find the fabled "# Receivers" option. Anyone point me in the right direction?


It's on your Defensive AI inputs.



Which is why I haven't noticed. Why is it not on the Off. AI?
 
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Originally posted by GG
Bort, just on that...

If I have the "follow AI exactly" checked ON....if I have inputs/outputs for downs 1 and 2, but deliberately leave 3rd down out, would it resort to my basic settings AND ALSO use football logic? Like if it was 3rd and 1 it will do a FB rush, but if it was 3rd and 8 it will know it has to pass? Or will it just "stupidly" look at 50-50 run-pass setting and just randomly decide to run on 3rd and long?


It will NOT use football logic if you check the "follow exactly" box. If you want it to use football logic along with your basic settings when you don't have a matching input, leave that box unchecked.


That's really what most people should probably be doing. Leaving it unchecked is not going to make it deviate from your entered inputs or outputs, which I think some people are confused/worried about. It'll just make it revert to the basic AI when you don't have a matching situation entered.
 
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Originally posted by Kira
Hey Bort, off topic, but check this out!


He already posted in the bug thread about that: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=794112#6106464

Yes, it's a bad bug, but it shouldn't be posted here.
 
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Where is the basic instructions for AI?

My questions feel stupid to me, but I cant seem to find the info I need and I am sure it is out here somewhere.

My basic question is where is the list of terms to use in setting New Input, i.e. goal line, late lead, etc.,

What if I want to add 3rd and 2 or less, lineman shoot the gaps, or 3rd and 7 LB up close on TE and jam at line.

How do we know what to say on these New Inputs, and what to say to instruct program to make players do what you want/

Thanks for directions to info or your thoughts.

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Originally posted by Gamblerhd
Where is the basic instructions for AI?


All the AI guides so far: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=775619

Originally posted by Gamblerhd
What if I want to add 3rd and 2 or less, lineman shoot the gaps, or 3rd and 7 LB up close on TE and jam at line.


Can't tell linemen to shoot the gaps.

3rd and 7 situation would be 'coverage distance' short, and the closest we can get to jamming is the player tactic for coverage distance.
 
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Score is 21-20, we're up by one point, on our OWN 20.5, 4th and 9, 1:50 left in the 4th quarter.

We don't punt, we go for it.

I for the life of me could not figure why this happened. I did not have it checked to follow my AI exactly, and every AI option I had seemed fine.

The only thing I could come up with is that I had 4th down "go for it" plays intended for when I was outside of field goal range, but inside the opponents 40. I had Opponents 40 to Opponents 30 as the spot of the play. Does it have any bearing if it were to say Opp 40 to Opp 30 versus Opp 30 to Opp 40? Like one works as you intend, and the other opens up a paradox that works as "Any spot" Or is it the same thing? I've since tweaked settings, so looking at them now probably won't help, but that's the only change I made. And I never added an input to any situation where I would go for 4th down in my own territory period.

Because outside of that, I can't find any reason we would have almost blown the game. (Other team went for a pass on 4th and 0.5 to turn it over and lose, thank God.)

Edit - I think I found it, but I don't remember switching the input. In down late - two minute drill, there is no score input. Is that default?
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Originally posted by secondeye
Edit - I think I found it, but I don't remember switching the input. In down late - two minute drill, there is no score input. Is that default?


Yes, that is the (incomplete) default. I don't know why Bort didn't mention it in this thread.

That thing has caused so many problems, it's unfortunate that some of the defaults were messed up.
 
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