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So... after many a PM with my friend Sluggy (I hope he forgives me!) I believe I stumbled onto something that changed after the crash that hasn't been explained.

If you did NOT early boost then you CANNOT miss any more boosts... for any reason... not even accidentally missing boosts at season's end.
That's a change from before where, if you missed a season's boosts you would get them at plateau as 'make up boosts'. That is gone (I think). You ONLY get 10 boosts. I find no mention of any 'make up boosts' which means you cannot MISS boosts like before (if you did NOT early boost).
And for those of you that DID early boost, you do NOT get 10 boosts at Plateau... only 5.

Now I think I know why Ryan chose to 'not early boost'. I got some maths to do.

The short version is you need to be at least L21 by day 44

You could be up to L26. So you can miss 1 set of boosts, but no more.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
So... after many a PM with my friend Sluggy (I hope he forgives me!) I believe I stumbled onto something that changed after the crash that hasn't been explained.

If you did NOT early boost then you CANNOT miss any more boosts... for any reason... not even accidentally missing boosts at season's end.
That's a change from before where, if you missed a season's boosts you would get them at plateau as 'make up boosts'. That is gone (I think). You ONLY get 10 boosts. I find no mention of any 'make up boosts' which means you cannot MISS boosts like before (if you did NOT early boost).
And for those of you that DID early boost, you do NOT get 10 boosts at Plateau... only 5.

Now I think I know why Ryan chose to 'not early boost'. I got some maths to do.

This was brought up in another thread a while back ago I believe even before the start of season 100. I find it hard that you missed the thread Theo as you usually catch everything.

Originally posted by Bluesman
This was brought up in another thread a while back ago I believe even before the start of season 100. I find it hard that you missed the thread Theo as you usually catch everything.

Hey. I got two problems. #1. I'm human. #2. I'm human. Yeah... I missed it. I was asked a question about 'missing boosts' (or just boosting in general) and to be sure I was giving the correct answer, I went looking for a Bort quote on it... and I couldn't find any. So I went to the announcement pages and found the old announcement, thinking it might be there... and that's when my crazy mind couldn't lock on to the numbers I was seeing. Eventually I had my 'eureka' moment and everything fell into place.

What I still haven't seen... or found yet... is something (a memory) that just won't go away of where Bort was asked if the ability to 'make up' missed boosts was still a thing as it was before. I remember he said it was not gone and that the ability to make up for missed boosts still remained. Does it matter? Yes... because the entire system changed.

Old way;
If you DID early boost you got to plateau at level 73. You got 3 boosts (call it a boost package) for the season of Plateau and 3 additional boosts to reach level 79 (30 total boosts). If you accidentally missed a season's boosts, or you DID NOT early boost, you also got 3 MORE boosts to "make up" for your accidental missed season's boosts. So max total was 3 'boost packages' or, 9 total boosts.

New Way;
If you DID NOT early boost, then you get to plateau at level 69. You get 5 boosts for plateau and 5 to help you reach level 79 (30 total boosts). So max total listed is only 2 'boost packages' or 10 total boosts. NO MENTION OF ANY 'MAKE UP BOOSTS' for missing any during the build process.
That's the 'change'. If that's true then those that didn't early boost have NO margin for ANY error at all. If they miss just 1 boost they won't be allowed to make it up.

That's why I posted this. Kinda felt that tiny 'change' of the loss of making up for missed boosts just hadn't been discussed much, if any... and needed to be known just in case someone (like me?) thought those 'make up boosts' still existed. I looked for anything Bort-wise saying this... I just couldn't find it.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Hey. I got two problems. #1. I'm human. #2. I'm human. Yeah... I missed it. I was asked a question about 'missing boosts' (or just boosting in general) and to be sure I was giving the correct answer, I went looking for a Bort quote on it... and I couldn't find any. So I went to the announcement pages and found the old announcement, thinking it might be there... and that's when my crazy mind couldn't lock on to the numbers I was seeing. Eventually I had my 'eureka' moment and everything fell into place.

What I still haven't seen... or found yet... is something (a memory) that just won't go away of where Bort was asked if the ability to 'make up' missed boosts was still a thing as it was before. I remember he said it was not gone and that the ability to make up for missed boosts still remained. Does it matter? Yes... because the entire system changed.

Old way;
If you DID early boost you got to plateau at level 73. You got 3 boosts (call it a boost package) for the season of Plateau and 3 additional boosts to reach level 79 (30 total boosts). If you accidentally missed a season's boosts, you also got 3 MORE boosts to "make up" for your accidental missed season's boosts. So max total was 3 'boost packages' or, 9 total boosts.

New Way;
If you DID NOT early boost, then you get to plateau at level 69. You get 5 boosts for plateau and 5 to help you reach level 79 (30 total boosts). NO MENTION OF ANY 'MAKE UP BOOSTS' for missing any during the build process.
That's the 'change'. If that's true then those that didn't early boost have NO margin for ANY error at all. If they miss just 1 boost they won't be allowed to make it up.

That's why I posted this. Kinda felt that tiny 'change' of the loss of making up for missed boosts just hadn't been discussed much, if any... and needed to be known just in case someone (like me?) thought those 'make up boosts' still existed. I looked for anything Bort-wise saying this... I just couldn't find it.

That is correct, if you didn't boost at the beginning you have to make sure you boost the rest of the way. You get the 5 boosts at the end of the build. That's the make up boosts.

For those who boost at the beginning of the 1st season they can still make up the boosts if they missed during the remaining seasons.

Gor those that do not boost at the beginning they ar gaming on not missing any boosts going forward as they used their season of not boosting then.

those that did not boost the first season under the old way had the same issue

season 0 - no boosts
season 1 - 3
2 - 3
3 - 3
4 - 3
5 - 3
6 - 3
7 - 3

totals 21

season 8 day -8 - 3 boosts

season 8 day 1 - 6 boosts

I don't believe you could ever get more than 6 boosts on day 1 in season 8, but I could be wrong; it may have been 9

Originally posted by reddogrw
those that did not boost the first season under the old way had the same issue

season 0 - no boosts
season 1 - 3
2 - 3
3 - 3
4 - 3
5 - 3
6 - 3
7 - 3

totals 21

season 8 day -8 - 3 boosts

season 8 day 1 - 6 boosts

I don't believe you could ever get more than 6 boosts on day 1 in season 8, but I could be wrong; it may have been 9
You are right you could only get 6 boosts on day 1 of season 8 in the old way. To get the 3 make up boosts you had to boost 3 times before season 8 day 1

I wish I had read this before lol. I missed the 5 preseason boosts from most of my players last season so I retired them thinking they would always be 5 short haha

Originally posted by tiskingmoon
I wish I had read this before lol. I missed the 5 preseason boosts from most of my players last season so I retired them thinking they would always be 5 short haha

Yeah... It's going to take a season or two, at least, for all the confusion to get sorted through. I am sure mistakes are just beginning and we'll see more for a while longer.

Originally posted by reddogrw
those that did not boost the first season under the old way had the same issue

season 0 - no boosts
season 1 - 3
2 - 3
3 - 3
4 - 3
5 - 3
6 - 3
7 - 3

totals 21

season 8 day -8 - 3 boosts

season 8 day 1 - 6 boosts

I don't believe you could ever get more than 6 boosts on day 1 in season 8, but I could be wrong; it may have been 9

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago

Old way;
If you DID early boost you got to plateau at level 73. You got 3 boosts (call it a boost package) for the season of Plateau and 3 additional boosts to reach level 79 (30 total boosts).
If you accidentally missed a season's boosts, or you DID NOT early boost, you also got 3 MORE boosts to "make up" for your accidental missed season's boosts. So max total was 3 'boost packages' or, 9 total boosts.

I know because it not only happened to me a few times but I don't think there was ever a season that someone didn't ask about "oops... I missed my boosts... now what?". That's kinda why I felt really compelled to make sure to NOTE the difference between the "old way" and the "new way". I'm willing to bet good money that someone out there will miss their boosts and get screwed and wonder why they don't get them back at the end like before. Sh*t happens. I'm just trying to offer a shovel.

It's worth noting old dots were 30 boosts across 7 seasons. (3x10)

New dots are 30 boosts across 4 seasons. (5x6)

We lost 3 seasons of build time but lost 4 "packs" of boosts.

So old dots no matter what "needed" 3 boosts on s8d1 to hit 30.

While new dots if using the s0 boosts, don't need to use S5d1 boosts at all to hit 20.

Yeah. As much as everyone thinks the changes made were HUGE when it comes to dot building, in the end the chances were very small.
ALG's didn't change. Training % gains didn't change. Training enhancement bonuses didn't change. Caps didn't change. total number of boosts didn't change. Plateau level (79) didn't change.

Only speed of building changed and some of the old 'boosting targets' changed (or went away). That and the 'make up boosts' went away as well. Pretty much if you built good dots before and you don't chase rabbits down holes, you'll have excellent dots at the end of the ride.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
That and the 'make up boosts' went away as well.

Bro, every single time you say this, and you say it a LOT, another part of my soul dies, because I've literally spent hours typing stuff to try to show you how it is just not true, and you just keep saying it.

Can we all agree just to forget what we "knew" about what the old building system was, and just try to all fully understand correctly what the new system (you know, the one we're all building under now?) actually IS?

Sorry to vent, just, you know, soul dying and everything. Carry on.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Yeah. As much as everyone thinks the changes made were HUGE when it comes to dot building, in the end the chances were very small.
ALG's didn't change. Training % gains didn't change. Training enhancement bonuses didn't change. Caps didn't change. total number of boosts didn't change. Plateau level (79) didn't change.

Only speed of building changed and some of the old 'boosting targets' changed (or went away). That and the 'make up boosts' went away as well. Pretty much if you built good dots before and you don't chase rabbits down holes, you'll have excellent dots at the end of the ride.

Only speed of building changed and some of the old 'boosting targets' changed (or went away)
This is the only thing that changed, make up boosts did not go away.

But build as slug says for the game now, give it a real year (less for us old timers) and we won't even remember anything on how the old system was anymore.

Originally posted by Bluesman
Only speed of building changed and some of the old 'boosting targets' changed (or went away)
This is the only thing that changed, make up boosts did not go away.

But build as slug says for the game now, give it a real year (less for us old timers) and we won't even remember anything on how the old system was anymore.

i remember rolling for builds