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TJ Spikes
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Each league would have 2 conferences of 4 teams. For the sake of this model let's use Number conference and Letter conference.

The schedule would be

Team #1 would play:

Week 1: #2
Week 2: #3
Week 3: #4
Then
Week 4: Team A
Week 5: Team B
Week 6: Team C
Week 7: Team D

Then the schedule repeats

Week 8: #2
Week 9: #3
Week 10: #4
Then
Week 11: Team A
Week 12: Team B
Week 13: Team C
Week 14: Team D

Then
Week 15: #2
Week 16: #3
Week 17: #4

Then playoff seeding would be the same as it always has been, except more obvious with 3 head to head games
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Number of head-to-head wins against the other tied teams with the same record.
Number of total points allowed.
Number of total points scored.


Playoff structure would be: worst record out of playoffs, best record BYE Week

First round: seed 3 @ seed 2
Second round: Winner @ Top team
Third round: Championship

The only glitch would be fixing playoff income for the top team, which would be a simple as having a home game "watch party" selling tickets with concession sales thrown in.
Edited by TJ Spikes on Jul 27, 2023 12:16:54
Edited by TJ Spikes on Jul 27, 2023 12:15:53
 
Kenshinzen
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Don't like it, I want my old GLB back.
 
Novus
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Eh, 12 teams feels right to me. 2 games against each of your divisional rivals, 1 game against each team in the other conference.
 
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We started with 8 per division, now we have 6 and propose 4? Definitely not 💯
 
Theo Wizzago
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The issue becomes the reduction of meaning of regular season games, IMHO.

If I know I can lollygag through the season and NOT show my hand until the playoffs, why would I put in top effort to win every game (aside from simple chest thumping rights)?
If playoffs are 3 teams in each Conference then going down to 3 means (theoretically... must still consider morale) I could lose most every game and still make the playoffs... especially if there's a CPU team in the conference (which will happen eventually). That's a serious lack of incentive.

6 feels just about as bad since I can always count on one or two CPU teams to beat up on (once we get these current teams up to plateau).

8 feels like too much.

I could see an argument for 7 and odd schedules.

So 7 would get you one home and one away against the other 6 in your conference...
Plus 2 games against sister league... randomly determined.
Bonus = Playoffs wouldn't change. You'd have to fight a bit harder to make the playoffs (which you should) so no lollygagging.

Edited by Theo Wizzago on Jul 28, 2023 10:05:17
 
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SO.. I meant all leagues...

After the first season, (which is a complete crap shoot for team quality no matter how you organize it) leagues would get distilled and sorted into the elite/competitive/barf structure we currently have, (except the number of leagues is limited by the number of teams).

Smaller leagues would group all of the suck into 1 league, instead of using them to fill bigger leagues, which makes everyone's season suck more.

What else would make the season meaningful, if a reduced playoff field, and a first round bye, won't do it?

Originally posted by Novus
Eh, 12 teams feels right to me. 2 games against each of your divisional rivals, 1 game against each team in the other conference.


and the weird 96 hours of thumb in butt time that we're in the middle of now, not to mention a 1-1 split isn't a tie breaker.

 
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Originally posted by TJ Spikes
and the weird 96 hours of thumb in butt time that we're in the middle of now, not to mention a 1-1 split isn't a tie breaker.



TBPH, I don't envy Bort trying to sort this out but... that said.. as for structures for next season;

#1. I suspect Bort will need to sort teams by average player levels. By the end of this season, there will be 2; Those that did NOT early boost will always (until Plateau) be 5 levels behind (and that's too much, IMHO) and should be in their own Leagues. The rest, be it those that used all their boosts right away and those that did not, will end up the season at the same levels so they can by in their own leagues.

#2. There there is the issue of 'partial teams' and CPU teams. TBPH, not sure how that will be addressed. But I would guess they would be spread about to fill in whatever empty spots remain.

#3. As for 'empty spots'... I imagine we will see LESS leagues and maybe different size conferences. At least for now. Why? Because there are SURELY going to be teams deciding to 'recycle' and try again. Some of their players will fill some of those 'partial teams'... solving one problem. But either the leagues will stay the same or shrink. They won't expand.

#4. Important to all of this is how many teams (and NEW teams) will be needed in next season's Rookie league? Ideally, you would like the numbers of teams to be the same from level to level. But what if there are more Rookie teams next season than there are current teams today? Then Rookie would need to be enlarged... and, correspondingly, so would our next level. So we could see MORE CPU teams needing to be made. It would be rather weird to see an inconsistent # of teams at each level, all the time. IMHO.
Edited by Theo Wizzago on Jul 28, 2023 21:54:54
Edited by Theo Wizzago on Jul 28, 2023 21:54:34
 
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Originally posted by Novus
Eh, 12 teams feels right to me. 2 games against each of your divisional rivals, 1 game against each team in the other conference.


 
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
TBPH, I don't envy Bort trying to sort this out but... that said.. as for structures for next season;

#1. I suspect Bort will need to sort teams by average player levels. By the end of this season, there will be 2; Those that did NOT early boost will always (until Plateau) be 5 levels behind (and that's too much, IMHO) and should be in their own Leagues. The rest, be it those that used all their boosts right away and those that did not, will end up the season at the same levels so they can by in their own leagues.

I disagree. It doesn't really matter what level a team is, if they're kicking everyone's ass. If they're not kicking ass, they're automatically get sorted down the food chain.

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#2. There there is the issue of 'partial teams' and CPU teams. TBPH, not sure how that will be addressed. But I would guess they would be spread about to fill in whatever empty spots remain.

More smaller leagues makes this easier to do. Dropping down to 8 teams from 12 means you can remove the 4 worst teams from every league. This is also assuming that partial trans are automatically worse than every full team, which isn't always the case.

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#3. As for 'empty spots'... I imagine we will see LESS leagues and maybe different size conferences. At least for now. Why? Because there are SURELY going to be teams deciding to 'recycle' and try again. Some of their players will fill some of those 'partial teams'... solving one problem. But either the leagues will stay the same or shrink. They won't expand.

Smaller leagues are more scalable. We could have 20 leagues, contracted down to 15 leagues when all of the empty teams get sorted out. It's also important to remember that there's a difference between human owned empty teams, and abandoned CPU empty teams. Human owned will still need a place to exist, CPU teams can get deleted or added to round out the worse league of every tier.

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#4. Important to all of this is how many teams (and NEW teams) will be needed in next season's Rookie league? Ideally, you would like the numbers of teams to be the same from level to level. But what if there are more Rookie teams next season than there are current teams today? Then Rookie would need to be enlarged... and, correspondingly, so would our next level. So we could see MORE CPU teams needing to be made. It would be rather weird to see an inconsistent # of teams at each level, all the time. IMHO.

Next year is huge for GLB. This season there was a glut of teams because of the reset. Next season will be more typical. Imagine if there's only like 4 teams because everyone else left.

 
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Or the opposite. I know of several previous team owners who did NOT field a team for 100 season and are looking to next season or even further to start up again. And, several Organizations that had many more teams than they do now could, once again, expand. I believe there is a REAL good chance that we could see almost double (or even higher) of owned teams in season 101's rookie level than there is now. And, LESS teams in the next level as several will likely recycle and we all know NONE will be added (unless CPU team added).

That could give us a weird situation of (example) 20 teams at next level and 40 teams in Rookie so the Leagues would be very uneven... unless corresponding number of CPU teams replaced those that leave/recycle. UNLESS... unless Bort wants to spend every season adjusting number of Leagues, Conferences, and CPU teams just to keep a minimal amount in each level and competition tight. That's... unlikely. Whatever the number of Leagues we have, likely 2 conferences in each. And whatever number of teams in a conference... all to keep from having too many bot teams but STILL allow for team ownership without needing to expand anything to get it to fit.
Edited by Theo Wizzago on Jul 29, 2023 10:32:49
 
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Originally posted by TJ Spikes
and the weird 96 hours of thumb in butt time that we're in the middle of now, not to mention a 1-1 split isn't a tie breaker.


I always enjoyed the 96 hours between Game 16 and Playoff Game 1, actually. At that point each season, I usually NEEDED a moment to catch my breath before getting ready for the playoffs.

As for the tie-breakers, I'm okay with the current ones too. Points-Allowed makes sense given how GLB works in particular and reduces the importance of those unavoidable CPU games.
 
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Finally something to agree with Novus! This is a first, must see a doctor immediately.
 
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Originally posted by Kenshinzen
Finally something to agree with Novus! This is a first, must see a doctor immediately.


It's okay, you get used to it.
 
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Not a fan of this suggestion. I think 12tm is fine, key is getting a 2nd sort on d44 to get cpu's out of regular leagues.
 
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Originally posted by Novus
I always enjoyed the 96 hours between Game 16 and Playoff Game 1, actually. At that point each season, I usually NEEDED a moment to catch my breath before getting ready for the playoffs.

As for the tie-breakers, I'm okay with the current ones too. Points-Allowed makes sense given how GLB works in particular and reduces the importance of those unavoidable CPU games.


Even if you didn't enjoy it you'd (Bort would) have to do yet another code re-write to compensate for those days where we get both TP and XP (I think)... so yet more condensing of stuff.
 
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