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I got an odd enjoyment out of reading this thread.

Maybe I should buy one of each and see what happens. The bison bull would be an easy find, the moose bull might be more challenging and I assume expensive.

Originally posted by Cowpoker
Maybe I should buy one of each and see what happens. The bison bull would be an easy find, the moose bull might be more challenging and I assume expensive.

Solution is simple for you. Buy the bison and a bottle of male moose pheromones. Load the bison into a cattle trailer and drive up to Canada during the moose mating season. Spray the bison with the moose pheromones. Turn it loose where there's moose. Grab video camera. Film. Profit. Also find answer.


(Oh... bonus... you get to keep the dead bison and make a profit from the meat and hide. )

Originally posted by Catullus16
we've been having a debate.

in one corner, a full-grown adult male moose in peak form. meaning: full rack of antlers and all the rest. in the other corner, a full-grown adult male bison, also in peak form. except there aren't any corners and this is like wide open grassland or some other neutral terrain.

who wins?

I'm not sure there is a fair neutral terrain. Open grassland is the Bison's home field. Deep snow would favor the Moose. In the water would also favor the Moose. Rocky slopes favors the Moose. In a forest could favor the Moose.
I think the scenario needs clarification to be truly fair.

I'm going with the bison and the low center of gravity. If he can clip one of those long legs, game over

All yawl forgetting one important thing. What is the natural way for these animals to fight? I see all kinds of posts about agility, weight, terrain, ect, ect, ect... but only a couple about the one major factor where the moose has the bison beat and beat badly. Attack weapon. Both Bison and moose use the 'charge at each other like two freight trains and slams heads together in a show of dominance' method of fighting. The Bison have short horns... most of their 'damage' is done by using a super hard head to crack against their opponent's (another Bison) head. Moose have giant racks of antlers and use those to spar with their opponents but also do the 'charge at each other like two freight trains and slams heads together in a show of dominance' method of fighting.
It's those antlers that would, IMHO, make all the difference. The Bison would not take long to figure out they're outgunned in the horn department and quickly depart the fight before any more of their face and head got shredded (or eye's poked out... or ears ripped off... or nose torn to pieces...). Take the antlers off the moose and I agree. The Bison wins.


Now... to the more important question... which one of these can survive a wolf pack?

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
All yawl forgetting one important thing. What is the natural way for these animals to fight? I see all kinds of posts about agility, weight, terrain, ect, ect, ect... but only a couple about the one major factor where the moose has the bison beat and beat badly. Attack weapon. Both Bison and moose use the 'charge at each other like two freight trains and slams heads together in a show of dominance' method of fighting. The Bison have short horns... most of their 'damage' is done by using a super hard head to crack against their opponent's (another Bison) head. Moose have giant racks of antlers and use those to spar with their opponents but also do the 'charge at each other like two freight trains and slams heads together in a show of dominance' method of fighting.
It's those antlers that would, IMHO, make all the difference. The Bison would not take long to figure out they're outgunned in the horn department and quickly depart the fight before any more of their face and head got shredded (or eye's poked out... or ears ripped off... or nose torn to pieces...). Take the antlers off the moose and I agree. The Bison wins.


Now... to the more important question... which one of these can survive a wolf pack?

I'm going with no-contest, the moose would be better equipped for a wolf pack.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
All yawl forgetting one important thing. What is the natural way for these animals to fight? I see all kinds of posts about agility, weight, terrain, ect, ect, ect... but only a couple about the one major factor where the moose has the bison beat and beat badly. Attack weapon. Both Bison and moose use the 'charge at each other like two freight trains and slams heads together in a show of dominance' method of fighting. The Bison have short horns... most of their 'damage' is done by using a super hard head to crack against their opponent's (another Bison) head. Moose have giant racks of antlers and use those to spar with their opponents but also do the 'charge at each other like two freight trains and slams heads together in a show of dominance' method of fighting.
It's those antlers that would, IMHO, make all the difference. The Bison would not take long to figure out they're outgunned in the horn department and quickly depart the fight before any more of their face and head got shredded (or eye's poked out... or ears ripped off... or nose torn to pieces...). Take the antlers off the moose and I agree. The Bison wins.


Now... to the more important question... which one of these can survive a wolf pack?

This is only how they fight for dominance. Against another animal they both do not act the same way. Moose tend to swing their neck and antler more sideways to do more aggressive damage with them as well as trample with front hooves, bison tend to aim for the side and make good use of those sharp horns, getting in close and then kicking with back legs as they turn.

It would be about if the moose could land a kill blow with one of those downward side swings as the bison tried to get up to his side, because a good tear down the moose's side with a horn or a rear kick to one of the moose's legs is a game over.

This elk didn't want that bison smoke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzrjW6i82HU

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago



Now... to the more important question... which one of these can survive a wolf pack?

Neither, wolves are relentless and will stalk a herd for days before actually making their move, they typically exhaust and overwhelm their prey and herd them in to deep snow or river beds to take away any speed advantage and tactically and often slowly kill large game and it can take hours or even days for the targeted animal to die of blood loss or exhaustion. Wolves might target the young, sick or injured to begin with but if a large bull panics and heads in to deep snow, wolves will seize the moment and target the larger meal.

Now to the more important question, can wolves survive Cowpokers bolt action .223 ?

BTW, I'm a fan of the timber wolf, I'm happy about the resurging population in northern MN but their numbers need to be regulated.

Originally posted by Cowpoker
Neither, wolves are relentless and will stalk a herd for days before actually making their move, they typically exhaust and overwhelm their prey and herd them in to deep snow or river beds to take away any speed advantage and tactically and often slowly kill large game and it can take hours or even days for the targeted animal to die of blood loss or exhaustion. Wolves might target the young, sick or injured to begin with but if a large bull panics and heads in to deep snow, wolves will seize the moment and target the larger meal.

Now to the more important question, can wolves survive Cowpokers bolt action .223 ?



That's exactly what I observed watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NPe4QReznM

Originally posted by Cowpoker
BTW, I'm a fan of the timber wolf, I'm happy about the resurging population in northern MN but their numbers need to be regulated.

I wouldn't worry about the wolves but I'd be much worried about the Coywolves that are really starting to become a thing in the north. Wolves tend to avoid people if they can help it and, don't get me wrong but, MN and most of those midwestern northern states aren't exactly populated like NY and CAL and other states where your neighbor is actually in shouting distance... not 5 miles away. Coywolves would be the one's to snag new calves right out from under your nose as they don't seem to have the same fear of man wolves do.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
I wouldn't worry about the wolves but I'd be much worried about the Coywolves that are really starting to become a thing in the north. Wolves tend to avoid people if they can help it and, don't get me wrong but, MN and most of those midwestern northern states aren't exactly populated like NY and CAL and other states where your neighbor is actually in shouting distance... not 5 miles away. Coywolves would be the one's to snag new calves right out from under your nose as they don't seem to have the same fear of man wolves do.

I prefer the term wolfote

Originally posted by Quiggle
I prefer the term wolfote

Now Quiggs... we all know the Coyote is the master and the wolf the slave.