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Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
usually the simplest answer is that mvp uses adjusted stats, whereas positional and global ratings do not.

Blowout adjustment definitely has a lot to do with it. Are you 100% sure that global and position rank
don't take that into effect at all? They definitely don't penalize as much for the adjustments, that is certain.
However, I've noticed some discrepancies between those ranks and the player ranks for each team's "Top Threats"
which seem to use non-adjusted stats as well. I always wondered what the differences between those
rankings could amount to, and it seemed (to me) the global and position ranking were 'very slightly adjusted"
while the Top Team Threat rankings was the only based on completely non-adjusted stats. Obviously though
this was speculation based on those discrepancies. It does seem odd if some rankings were only 'slightly' adjusted,
as opposed to all or none, heck if i know though

Wow the number 1 guy is also a cb. The number 2 guy is the number 1 cb in the conference. Clearly isnt the best DEFENSIVE player OVERALL in the conference. Hence my early comment that directly relates to the op's question.

Being the number 1 conference cb doesn't always mean being the best defensive player in the conference. It just means he is the best at his position. It's not hard to understand.

Apparently being a genius makes simple things like this harder to understand. So glad i am not a genius like Darncat claims to be. Just hilarious how much he tries to make himself look so smart by attempting to put others down. All he manages to do is prove what we all already know; he's an idiot who is too stupid to even realize it.

People actually pay attention to the matchup page's top threats?

Originally posted by Qillar


Theo, there are no league standings, just conference and global.

Well, there's the League standings on the league page but I thought he meant the Global Rankings. I just botched the reply a little.

So, assuming he means he's looking at the dots' page, Global Rankings section, then the difference is that the Conference D Ranking includes ALL defensive dots or any dots with any form of 'Defensive stats'. This would also encompass Stops playing ST's and making tackles, causing fumbles, ect, ect. I've seen that happen before. Also happens on the offensive side as well. Just ask Guppy.
But the Conference D ranking covers every D-dot and ALL defensive stats accrued anywhere while the Conference All CB D Rank covers only CB's ranked against each other and the stats gained on defense only. Even though the CB that isn't his (that's the #1 ranked in the Conference D Global Rank) isn't #1 as well in the Conference All CB D Rankings, then that's because that CB (the one that isn't his) is likely also playing on ST's and getting extra stats there. Those extra stats are included in the Conference D Rankings but not in the Conference All CB D Rank. Check his ST stats (if possible) and I think you'll find that's the difference here.

Originally posted by keithj
Currently one of my players has the following ranks:

Conference D Rank: 2
Conference All CB D Rank: 1

The player who is currently #1 in Conference D Rank is a CB. How is that possible if my player is the #1 CB in the league?

so squabbling aside...

Consider typical CB stats... things like Deflections and Interceptions would bring up your CB score Receptions allowed would probably bring it down. When looking at the entire defense, Sacks are really highly valued (probably over valued) TFLs probably count more also. So while you might be the best at doing CB things, the other guy is a better all around defender based on the formula.

That's probably what everyone else was getting at but, I didn't want to wade into the middle of a pissing contest. TL;dr

Sophie Turner (OP's dot) is #1 D CB, but #5 O CB, #2 D MVP. (3 Int return TDs)
James Bond (other dot) is #2 D CB, but #3 O CB, #1 D MVP. (5 Int return TDs)

Just a stab in the dark but it looks like the return TDs are weighing in less for the positional part, than they do for the MVP race.

Also, James Bond has 0 ST tackles. Would've checked Turner - but for some reason the U-ND team page just times out for me when I click on it.

Originally posted by TJ Spikes
Consider typical CB stats... things like Deflections and Interceptions would bring up your CB score Receptions allowed would probably bring it down. When looking at the entire defense, Sacks are really highly valued (probably over valued) TFLs probably count more also. So while you might be the best at doing CB things, the other guy is a better all around defender based on the formula.

Likely the case. Looking at the CB's in question, the #1 in MVP has 5 Def TDs' where as the OP's CB has 3. Likely the difference in the MVP score and not necessarily weighted as heavily in the CB rankings.

So in otherwords,

Originally posted by Seric
Because being the number 1 conference cb doesnt always mean best defensive player in the conference.

pretty much answers the question.

Originally posted by darncat
Blowout adjustment definitely has a lot to do with it. Are you 100% sure that global and position rank
don't take that into effect at all? They definitely don't penalize as much for the adjustments, that is certain.
However, I've noticed some discrepancies between those ranks and the player ranks for each team's "Top Threats"
which seem to use non-adjusted stats as well. I always wondered what the differences between those
rankings could amount to, and it seemed (to me) the global and position ranking were 'very slightly adjusted"
while the Top Team Threat rankings was the only based on completely non-adjusted stats. Obviously though
this was speculation based on those discrepancies. It does seem odd if some rankings were only 'slightly' adjusted,
as opposed to all or none, heck if i know though

I'm 99% sure that remember bort or catch saying that global rankings do not look at adjusted at all. i'm only about 90% sure that conference positional rankings dont. i'm fairly certain that positional rankings and mvp ranking do not use the same formula within a position. so def mvp usually relies heavily on sacks, whereas I'm betting cb positional ranking are more about pass related activities.

you can really see the formula differences when looking at kickers. kickers frequently flip flop positions between off mvp and k/p mvp and then kicker conference ranking. i wish i had saved the conf that i saw the other day. the #1 conf kicker was #2 in mvp, while #2 was the mvp. but, they flip flopped in the off mvp race. then, the #4 kicker was the only kicker listed under st mvp, while not even being top 5 in k/p mvp or listed at all on off mvp.

we also have to remember all the meaningless things that go into the mvp that do not go into positional rankings. player level, player contribution, same player position comparison (altho in this case, its cb vs cb). i've seen multiple cases where the mvp rankings changed during the playoffs because a player left the conf. so the wr at #3 in mvp was only marginally better than the wr at #7, but then #7 went inactive and got cut, and without that wr vs wr comparison, the remaining wr shot up to #1 in mvp. then within the team there appears to be that same kind of comparison. so if 1 cb is clearly the best on the team vs a cb that is just barely the best on his team, the 1st cb gets an advantage.

the whole mvp ranking is fubar. i once saw a returner be #1 in kr td, pr td, pr avg, pr yards, kr avg, and end up 6th in the mvp. catch and i had a pretty good argument over that working as intended. i really wish that teams could nominate players for the mvps and let the owners and co-owners vote on it.

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc


the whole mvp ranking is fubar.

+1000

personally, i appreciate the realism

i mean, have you seen how the NFL does it?

Originally posted by Catullus16
personally, i appreciate the realism

i mean, have you seen how the NFL does it?

Darts at the board, baby... darts. Oh.. and blindfolds.

glb needs a jersey sales metric