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sunder B
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I know O-line stats are kind of lol, but when I saw this sack allowed against a CPU team I was like really?? Then when I was glancing through the box score I noticed that none of the O-line were charged with a sack alllowed.

This looks pretty simple as 1 on 1 blocking and the LOT just got beat.
 
TJ Spikes
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Didn't look like the OT ever engaged. That looks like one of the old 1st Step ole' sacks.

I'd guess the OT actually has to lose a roll to get charged.

 
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Originally posted by TJ Spikes
Didn't look like the OT ever engaged. That looks like one of the old 1st Step ole' sacks.

I'd guess the OT actually has to lose a roll to get charged.



on my replay i do see one point of contact though where it looks like they 'engaged'
that is interesting though, i always figured the sacks allowed was based off the blocking assignments
rather than actually missing a block, but it could be that. I feel like i've seen plenty of times where a DE
ran wide of the OT and got the sack and wasn't touched at all where the OT was recorded for a sack allowed
but honestly there is no way i can be at all certain because its not a stat i ever studied at all. I'd say it definitely
could be based on missing blocks instead... but still at least on my replay, it looks like there was a missed block
on this particular play... who knows. all i know is that irl sacks allowed can be a bit of a buggy stat and in GLB even worse
 
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watching it again, it actually looks as if the run stuffing CPU DE just plain pushed with brute force
the pass blocking arch human LOT aside, easily, with one shove and went straight to the QB.
I can't see for one how this isn't a sack allowed as it couldn't be more plain- i also can't see how
it could be from the block never being engaged. The DE doesn't even make a move, never even tries
to go around him- he just shoves him right out of the way and goes directly to the QB. bizarre
 
Theo Wizzago
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Originally posted by TJ Spikes
Didn't look like the OT ever engaged. That looks like one of the old 1st Step ole' sacks.

I'd guess the OT actually has to lose a roll to get charged.



It's possible the OT got shoved back but it sure doesn't look that way. And I think you're right... if there's no engagement then it's just a sack.
 
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
It's possible the OT got shoved back but it sure doesn't look that way. And I think you're right... if there's no engagement then it's just a sack.


are you watching the same replay? you're saying the LOT purposely stepped out of the way
right as the DE comes into him, for no reason whatsoever? that doesn't make any sense either...
 
Theo Wizzago
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Originally posted by darncat
are you watching the same replay? you're saying the LOT purposely stepped out of the way
right as the DE comes into him, for no reason whatsoever? that doesn't make any sense either...


It would depend on vision a lot as well as agility. If the LOT thought the DE was going around the outside then moved to block but, instead, the DE changed direction... then yeah. Consider not all teams have two dedicated pass rush LOT's which means, sometimes, a Run Block will play there instead which has much less agility (and, sometimes, vision). So I checked the LOT out and it's a level 64 Pass Blocker which leaves me with vision as the culprit... IF that's really what happened in the play.
 
Guppy, Inc
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most non ball related stats are garbage. end of story. you can't make sense out of something so screwed up.
 
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
It would depend on vision a lot as well as agility. If the LOT thought the DE was going around the outside then moved to block but, instead, the DE changed direction... then yeah. Consider not all teams have two dedicated pass rush LOT's which means, sometimes, a Run Block will play there instead which has much less agility (and, sometimes, vision). So I checked the LOT out and it's a level 64 Pass Blocker which leaves me with vision as the culprit... IF that's really what happened in the play.


but if you look closely, the LOT actually moves directly towards the DE right up until they start to collide,
then he just goes sideways completely out of the DE path, who never changes direction one bit.
If that LOT wasn't pushed out of the way, he's having major issues...
 
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Originally posted by darncat
but if you look closely, the LOT actually moves directly towards the DE right up until they start to collide,
then he just goes sideways completely out of the DE path, who never changes direction one bit.
If that LOT wasn't pushed out of the way, he's having major issues...

tackles often move too far backwards on their own allowing the defensive end to slip inside for the sack. have people not been watching replays for the last 10 years?
 
sunder B
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
So I checked the LOT out and it's a level 64 Pass Blocker which leaves me with vision as the culprit... IF that's really what happened in the play.



FWIW, right now vision = 49.95 and agility = 96.95 strength = 131.6

 
sunder B
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Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
most non ball related stats are garbage. end of story. you can't make sense out of something so screwed up.


Probably the realistic answer I guess. I suppose I just never really noticed before
 
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Originally posted by sunder B
Probably the realistic answer I guess. I suppose I just never really noticed before


dont look at targeted vs recallowed or you'll go crazy.....lol. i think my fav all time there was 0 targeted, 3 rec allowed, 1 pd.

like WHAAAAAAATTTT.
 
Theo Wizzago
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Originally posted by darncat
but if you look closely, the LOT actually moves directly towards the DE right up until they start to collide,
then he just goes sideways completely out of the DE path, who never changes direction one bit.
If that LOT wasn't pushed out of the way, he's having major issues...


Problem is that Bort himself said the replays really don't show the action accurately. TBH, your view is what I surmised at first as well but then, I tossed on a salt shaker (grain of salt being too small here) due to things I've seen in replays before as well as what Guppy also posted... I've seen the same things... including a fumble recovery by a dot that was on the opposite side of the field. He got the credit despite not being within 10 yards of the football when it was recovered.
 
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Problem is that Bort himself said the replays really don't show the action accurately. TBH, your view is what I surmised at first as well but then, I tossed on a salt shaker (grain of salt being too small here) due to things I've seen in replays before as well as what Guppy also posted... I've seen the same things... including a fumble recovery by a dot that was on the opposite side of the field. He got the credit despite not being within 10 yards of the football when it was recovered.


the funniest was the fg attempt where the PH got overrun so quickly that the kicker never got near the ball, yet successfully kicked the fg
 
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