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Theo Wizzago
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It well could've been that the FB in question wasn't a BFB. (such mistakes I made a few times until I figured everything out). Would have to go back and see when it happened (what game) but you might well be right about the FB thing. I will say I've used blocking WR's at TE for BTE's and they did just fine. Funny thing though is, trying to use a BTE at FB for a blocker didn't work so well. He seemed confused too many times (low vision???) as to where he was supposed to go and missed some obvious blocks as well.
 
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FB is tough to play in GLB it seems...
without great vision (and even then, often) it seems they will hesitate trying to figure out who to block
and without great speed (and even then sometimes) that hesitation will cost them a chance to make that block.
Often times, its clear who the TE has to block, they get the burst off the line and their expected path
takes them right into position to block a player without having to hesitate. FB seems a lot tougher task
 
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Originally posted by darncat
FB is tough to play in GLB it seems...
without great vision (and even then, often) it seems they will hesitate trying to figure out who to block
and without great speed (and even then sometimes) that hesitation will cost them a chance to make that block.
Often times, its clear who the TE has to block, they get the burst off the line and their expected path
takes them right into position to block a player without having to hesitate. FB seems a lot tougher task


I've had a long held idea (theory) I've never tested yet but hope to someday. So many of the BFB's I see try to push Strength to 100 natural at the cost of sacrificing other skills in the process. I get 100 strength for O-linemen... I even can understand it for BTE's... but the BFB is a one trick pony in that it seeks the closest non-blocked defender and engages the block just long enough to let the HB (or QB) slip past. After that, he's useless again because you cannot make a BFB that can do his job and still be faster than most HB's are... even PHB's. So that 1st block is his main, and only job to succeed at. After that, anything else is gravy. Secondly, a BFB really needs that speed more than most think if you want MORE out of him. A 120-130 speed BFB is good at hitting the hole, in straight forward runs, ahead of the HB (or QB) and finding a LB, Safety, of CB to block. But, if you run an OUTSIDE run with a EHB or fast RQB, then that speed isn't enough and most EHB's and RQB's run right past the too slow BFB before he can engage a block in time... making him useless basically. (caveat; If you're only gonna use the BFB to pass block on passing plays then you don't need hardly any speed anyways but that's a waste of a position, IMO.)

So my theory is to build a faster BFB with less strength (still keeping his blocking skill up). I was thinking something like this;

Blocking FB
80 strength, 90 blocking, 90 agility, 96 speed, 70 vision, 60 stamina, 50 confidence, 10 First Step, 8-10 Lead Block, 8-10 Pummel or Aura, 2x Hold Block (EQ in speed for a 150 speed end result.)

You could scrub off some speed and add some strength maybe but I thought this would be a dot fast enough to use on outside runs, making sure to stay ahead of the runner and engage the block before getting passed. Not only that but on screens and other outside plays he would be more likely to be involved in the blocking. In a way, I don't care if he gets caked eventually... as long as he holds (occupies) a defender until the runner gets past. That's the job anyways. Sure, pushing the strength up high will get you more cakes and pad your stats but I'd rather have a dot that actually is usable on every type of play... inside and outside... and one that does the simple job of occupying a defender just long enough to let the runner slip past. Anything else is bonus.


 
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
I've had a long held idea (theory) I've never tested yet but hope to someday. So many of the BFB's I see try to push Strength to 100 natural at the cost of sacrificing other skills in the process. I get 100 strength for O-linemen... I even can understand it for BTE's... but the BFB is a one trick pony in that it seeks the closest non-blocked defender and engages the block just long enough to let the HB (or QB) slip past. After that, he's useless again because you cannot make a BFB that can do his job and still be faster than most HB's are... even PHB's. So that 1st block is his main, and only job to succeed at. After that, anything else is gravy. Secondly, a BFB really needs that speed more than most think if you want MORE out of him. A 120-130 speed BFB is good at hitting the hole, in straight forward runs, ahead of the HB (or QB) and finding a LB, Safety, of CB to block. But, if you run an OUTSIDE run with a EHB or fast RQB, then that speed isn't enough and most EHB's and RQB's run right past the too slow BFB before he can engage a block in time... making him useless basically. (caveat; If you're only gonna use the BFB to pass block on passing plays then you don't need hardly any speed anyways but that's a waste of a position, IMO.)

So my theory is to build a faster BFB with less strength (still keeping his blocking skill up). I was thinking something like this;

Blocking FB
80 strength, 90 blocking, 90 agility, 96 speed, 70 vision, 60 stamina, 50 confidence, 10 First Step, 8-10 Lead Block, 8-10 Pummel or Aura, 2x Hold Block (EQ in speed for a 150 speed end result.)

You could scrub off some speed and add some strength maybe but I thought this would be a dot fast enough to use on outside runs, making sure to stay ahead of the runner and engage the block before getting passed. Not only that but on screens and other outside plays he would be more likely to be involved in the blocking. In a way, I don't care if he gets caked eventually... as long as he holds (occupies) a defender until the runner gets past. That's the job anyways. Sure, pushing the strength up high will get you more cakes and pad your stats but I'd rather have a dot that actually is usable on every type of play... inside and outside... and one that does the simple job of occupying a defender just long enough to let the runner slip past. Anything else is bonus.




Not a theory. It's a fun dot I've seen built: hit, block and roll!
 
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Theo, I've long believed the same thing... the key to a good blocking FB is actually Speed, even for inside runs. Saw it play out that way when I had an all-running team 30 seasons ago.
 
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I think you've just set out the footprint of my next dot Theo.
 
Theo Wizzago
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Took 70 season but I got something right? I should retire now while I'm ahead.
 
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the scatback FB on our team is one of our best blockers, although his blocking att is not good at all
but he almost always sees where to go and when he does he always gets there
now sometimes on up the gut run plays he'll take a rev pancake, so that is my we have a number of good blockers
some of whom are much stronger, but even on those inside runs, he gets the job done the majority of times
and he always gets to the block, which other stronger FBs can't always do, especially on outside runs
where his speed makes him the most effective blocker we have.
 
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