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Originally posted by fuzzypoopy


you would get a big lol out of that.......
 
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Originally posted by ProfessionalKop
i hate myself for even wasting my time typing that out when youre just going to use a FB anyway.


 
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returns are 90% blocking, so it depends on who your STC is and how they set up blocking. i tend to prefer eHB for their ALGs, but CBs tend to win more MVPs for me.
 
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Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
returns are 90% blocking, so it depends on who your STC is and how they set up blocking. i tend to prefer eHB for their ALGs, but CBs tend to win more MVPs for me.


Originally posted by ProfessionalKop
Elusive HB


These.
 
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Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
returns are 90% blocking, so it depends on who your STC is and how they set up blocking. i tend to prefer eHB for their ALGs, but CBs tend to win more MVPs for me.


in the beginning I only used CBs ......they were fast

90% blocking?
 
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In theory, eHB > rFB when cost is no object. Every SA you could want is built in.

However... given how STs play out in the highest levels though... (you might get 1 kick and/or punt return TD, if your lucky, with the best eHB) You might as well do the FB. Break Tackle chance is the same as, or better than, anti-fumble chance. 230 pounds minimum vs 180 pounds minimum makes a difference too.

for a free dot, the rFB is the most reliable. the rWR is probably a bit more fun with all of the built in SAs.

check out the WL STMVP candidates.. lots of eHBs on the list, but they also have as many fumbles as they do return TDs.

fwiw... the rCB is the worst option IMO, 0.4 ALGs combined with almost no good SAs.

 
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KP, you're asking the question the wrong way. I know because I did the EXACT same thing for a long time. I tried the CB, the WR, the HB, the FB, and even the TE. Here's what everyone (especially Prokop) is trying to say. The real question is; What are the best primary skills and SA's you can start with when building a returner?

Speed. I've seen and tried the Power style returner... they're ok at best and likely not to get you nearly as many TD returns.

Since we've decided speed is best then Agility, Carry, would be the next 2 best skills.

That's the EHB. Add in that Vision is a major and Stamina and Strength are minors... along with the SA tree... plus one last thing over the Returner archetypes (any dot); The Returner SA is included in the SA tree when you choose the Returner archetype... if I remember right, on the Returner CB it's the 3rd or 4th in line... which means you have to upgrade the SA's before it before you can upgrade it... whereas the Elusive HB archetype you can choose 'Returner' as your extra SA and greatly reduce the cost in BT's to upgrade it.

As they said, of money/flex isn't a problem then EHB is your best choice.
 
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one thing about using a FB as returner is that there is a built in bias against them for MVP. back in my bug mod days, i had a fb returner that hit #1 in all 6 return categories, and yet was 6th in mvp. catch told me that they were handicapped because there had never been a IRL successful returner. we argued quite a bit about it. if there's a built in coding bias for that, then you have to wonder if there's a coding bias for performance too because I've seen many FB not do as well as their builds would suggest they would.

Originally posted by KP
in the beginning I only used CBs ......they were fast

90% blocking?


yes, if you don't set your blocking up right, the returner is screwed. on the other hand, i've gotten plenty of mvps for players whose builds were less than good because I knew how to set up the blocking for them. there's a reason i'm really good at ST, because there's so many little things that you can do with the right players, and I don't mean just having 10 stops,. alto i do love me some rawss players.
 
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the other question you have to ask is what level you are building for. i've had some returners that just sucked at all levels prior to plateau, then won mvp after mvp at the highest levels. i have a wl returner now that the build is pretty good, but just hasnt worked at the wl level. build for on field performance, not a high EL. people seem to assume that a high el = great player.
 
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Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
yes, if you don't set your blocking up right, the returner is screwed.



ahhhhhhh I took it as the returner need blocking skill thats what threw me.


thanks for taking the time to reply

 
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Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
the other question you have to ask is what level you are building for. i've had some returners that just sucked at all levels prior to plateau, then won mvp after mvp at the highest levels. i have a wl returner now that the build is pretty good, but just hasnt worked at the wl level. build for on field performance, not a high EL. people seem to assume that a high el = great player.


Yeah... there's certain positions where EL is something you should virtually ignore. ST dots are one type for sure. The game if HEAVILY biased to offense and defense play. ST's are the forgotten part of the game when it comes to GLB.
 
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