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Denthor
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Originally posted by Sonic
What is better: using an AEQ on a third piece of % gear (if you have already invested two previous AEQ on that same % gear), or taking a an SA to 16 or 17?


IMO, both of those options are a mistake.


Originally posted by Qillar


Plus Bort said there is no reason to go over 13.


Now, let us bow our heads, and pray....



Edited by Denthor on Jul 16, 2018 17:20:53
Edited by Denthor on Jul 16, 2018 17:19:46
 
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I never even considered going over 10... and i hope that's with good reason,
as I don't plan on doing it with any of my current players, in fact i was hoping
to just go 9 on some SAs with AEQ so i only have to spend the 6 SP, but if there
is a noticeable difference between 9 and 10, i can spend and extra 3 sp on it...
 
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Ok, if i have 15 slippery VA (and i do...)
and a +5% BT piece, do i want another BT% piece?
Won't it only be worth 1/4 of its value?

Now, for a pHB, maybe it'd make sense to have 15 bruiser VA,
then 2 +5%BT pieces? Or would that 2nd AEQ be better spent on something else,
rather than getting 1/4 value from it? Unless I'm mistaken, this would only be +3.75%-
is 3.75% worth an AEQ on, or would it be better spent for something else, even for a specialist?
 
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In my twisted, little, bubble, VAs are a completely different animal.
I would get the 2nd BT AEQ piece.

Anyone with sound opposition, please sound off, as I'm now piqued!
 
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I remember quite clearly Bort saying that diminishing return thing included %s from VAs... that is the case, is it not?
I honestly don't think my sQB has room for another BT piece anyhow, with all the other crap she needs
My C on the other hand has 2 +5%HB pieces, and a pancake.
Does it make sense to use the CEQ in HB% as well i wonder?
 
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The CEQ will be the lowest, so you will get .25, equaling a gain of 1%, from the 4% the CEQ is giving you.
Putting it into an SA, would seem the better choice.
 
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Originally posted by Sonic
What is better: using an AEQ on a third piece of % gear (if you have already invested two previous AEQ on that same % gear), or taking a an SA to 16 or 17?


Actually, it matter more on if you're building your AEQ or shopping for it (or both which is what I do) ... and if you're going for a 3 piece build or a 4. If you're building it, then you're in complete control and likely should go for % gear over any SA gear as I think (IMO) the gains in the performance of the dot will be better served by % gear than more SA points. Besides, if you're doing it that way then you should be able to hit your SA numbers well enough anyways. If you're shopping though, then you're a bit of being at the whim of the spin of the wheel for whatever piece you get. Everyone knows that passing by excellent pieces (of AEQ) while in fruitless search for the 'Perfect Piece' costs WAY too much BT's and, in the end, your dot is gonna suffer. I posted a guide for AEQ shopping covering this aspect. So, sometimes, maybe you take that +3 strength with the Pancake SA attached. I would if I was shopping for a O-lineman... I can always build a % hold block piece, at the end, if I gotta and I still end up with a sweet dot.
 
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Actually, it matter more on if you're building your AEQ or shopping for it (or both which is what I do) ... and if you're going for a 3 piece build or a 4. If you're building it, then you're in complete control and likely should go for % gear over any SA gear as I think (IMO) the gains in the performance of the dot will be better served by % gear than more SA points. Besides, if you're doing it that way then you should be able to hit your SA numbers well enough anyways. If you're shopping though, then you're a bit of being at the whim of the spin of the wheel for whatever piece you get. Everyone knows that passing by excellent pieces (of AEQ) while in fruitless search for the 'Perfect Piece' costs WAY too much BT's and, in the end, your dot is gonna suffer. I posted a guide for AEQ shopping covering this aspect. So, sometimes, maybe you take that +3 strength with the Pancake SA attached. I would if I was shopping for a O-lineman... I can always build a % hold block piece, at the end, if I gotta and I still end up with a sweet dot.


It seems there are definitely advantages if you can work with the good AEQ you roll rather than having to buy it; of course this is going to work better for some build than others. Especially more unconventional builds, they may have a hard time rolling the AEQ they seek or that work with the rest of their build. Luckily for safeties like I have, it seems pretty easy to roll proper AEQs.

 
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Originally posted by 420sega
It seems there are definitely advantages if you can work with the good AEQ you roll rather than having to buy it; of course this is going to work better for some build than others. Especially more unconventional builds, they may have a hard time rolling the AEQ they seek or that work with the rest of their build. Luckily for safeties like I have, it seems pretty easy to roll proper AEQs.



There is... if you're willing to make small sacrifices. Consider the following if you were building a Run Block Guard;

So you roll a great piece... a +3 strength and a 5% hold block (lets say it's gloves) and it only takes you 6 refreshes. That means you got a 125 BT piece (cost to build it) for 18 BT's (cost of refreshing) and small cost of purchase (I think it's about 27 BT's?)

Then, when you try again, on the 3rd refresh you get +3 block (shoes) piece. WAY too many people would pass this by and keep hunting for better. Maybe you get lucky... maybe... and get another great piece in another 4-6 refreshes... MAYBE. Most likely you'll spend a lot more BT's while hunting for better when you can take that piece, add on ANYTHING in the enhancement slot, and still save a LOT of BT's. Cost of refreshes for this piece? 9. Cost of piece? Around 13 BT's. Cost to add on most expensive enhancement? 75 Bt's (75 BT's is THE most you'll spend for any enhancement... you can spend less though depending on your choice).

So far you have 2 AEQ for a total cost of around 57 BT's.

You try again and maybe get a +2 strength with 5% Hold Block (lets say another 5 refreshes... cost 15 BT's). It's not a PERFECT piece... you'll have one less # on your strength at the end of the build... but it's still worth grabbing. Total cost 42 BT's.

You now have 3 pieces of AEQ... total cost around 100 BT's. It costs 125 to build an AEQ piece (max cost... 50 for the +3... 75 for the top enhancement[s].) Now you can build your final AEQ piece exactly as you want it... you'll have a 4 AEQ dot and the one AEQ piece without any enhancement (the second piece)? You can put in ANY enhancement you want (or need, based on your luck in shopping for the other pieces).

I cannot stress enough that too many people will bypass some of those pieces I listed in the HOPE they can find a better piece. The truth is, I'd bet 80% or more of those people complain about how shopping SUCKED for them because they had to 'refresh' way too many times. Truth is, you gotta have a good plan to start and be able to >ADAPT< while shopping to get the best out of it. Below is a link to my AEQ Shopping Guide. Feel free to copy and/or share.

http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5252795&page=1#49305013
 
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Issue is the good enhancements cost 75 bt going the building route. At least percentage wise.
 
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Originally posted by Seric
Issue is the good enhancements cost 75 bt going the building route. At least percentage wise.


They do but it's still worth shopping for at LEAST your first two AEQ pieces. If you can save a lot of BT's by shopping... hell, if you can save 120 you just cut short how many BT's you need to upgrade 1 AEQ piece by almost a full season's worth of training. That's a big advantage. I almost always get 3 AEQ through shopping and likely save at LEAST that much by doing so (120 BT's) and, usually, even more than that. In turn, that helps define how much better my dot will be in the end because every BT saved is a bit longer I can stay on Multi-training rather than switch to Intense sooner.
 
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
They do but it's still worth shopping for at LEAST your first two AEQ pieces. If you can save a lot of BT's by shopping... hell, if you can save 120 you just cut short how many BT's you need to upgrade 1 AEQ piece by almost a full season's worth of training. That's a big advantage. I almost always get 3 AEQ through shopping and likely save at LEAST that much by doing so (120 BT's) and, usually, even more than that. In turn, that helps define how much better my dot will be in the end because every BT saved is a bit longer I can stay on Multi-training rather than switch to Intense sooner.


That or use normal training to speed up the higher attributes training.
 
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