Warrior General Games

It might be nice, and not too much trouble, o create a few interesting leagues. I had some ideas.

A progression draft league, where all players are dumped into a pool after each season and are drafted into different teams as the league ages. There would be some limitations:

Team:

Owners cannot make players.

Teams paid in full upfront and cost a more (500 flex\season????).

Owners cannot be removed from the league and their team sold to someone else for inactivity and trolling their own team.

Players:
An upfront cost per player to enter; meaning you pay for the player and the boosts\CE at the time of creation for the league.

Total cost of a player reduced (50%?????) for the lifetime of the player and the cost of CE.
Players are only usable in the league.

Why I happen to like the idea:
Separating the owners and the players creates a more dependent dynamic where communication is important.

Having the player's move teams will put people in contact with a wider group and may bring some of the community feeling back to the game.

Putting all of the cost upfront and folding boosting and CE into the cost ensures everyone is on the same level all the way through and may reduce the chance of quitting, as the cost is already sunk.

It is good for players because it allows their flex to go a little further.
It opens up another type of dynamic to the game, and it does not change the balance of the sim in anyway.

Challenges:
There would have to be coding done for the player creation and locking a player into the draft league.

There would probably need to be a catch up system in place built by the end of the first season so that people who left could be replaced. This system would need the ability to fast forward players days so that they could be join at the right time.

Roster size and composition may need to be standardized so that no one could come in and draft 9 WR and mess the league up. It would also help with informing people what positions were available for creation.


Another league idea

A progression non-boosting league. I think some very similar concepts could be applied to this league. Increase the cost of team ownership significantly (1000 flex\season???). Dots that play in the league are not eligible for a refund and are forced retired after season 10.

I think this would spur a lot of single owner teams.

It would probably spur a lot of CE purchases as CE would have a bigger impact in a non-boosting league.

These two ideas are vastly different. The former has a strong chance of bringing some of the community back to the game. It also provides a different experience. The latter makes the single owner experience cheaper and will play to the egocentric crowd that thinks they are the best builders.

One of the important functions is it has a possibility to remove a lot of active flex from the environment, and that may spur some spending.

Lastly, with the leagues being locked and the same people being in them for a long time (the length of a career) it might force a little more balance in the building. Will people want to build for season 10 when they have 9 other seasons that they are locked into? Some people will probably have more successful early builds and some will build better season 7+. These ideas have a chance to create more legitimated ways to play. You may see teams that have half the dots build for early success and the other half for later success.

This also adds one more level of competition to the game and another set of trophies for people to shoot for.

Thoughts?

It's not a bad idea, but never going to happen. You're wasting your time. No more changes will happen to this game.

Never going to happen while under Bort's control

I know I have been gone a long time and this is going to sound crazy.

Maybe if their is interest in something Bort will be motivated to invest time if he feels there is a reasonable return on investment.

Although, he may have given up all hope of this project and is just trying to squeeze as much money out of it for as he can before he shuts off the lights on the way out the door.

I think Bort has taken our money and ran as soon as it came out of Beta. It is better to be patient till someone buys his game.

Do you think he would sell it. I know 8 years ago when i was playing he acted like this was his baby. The game seems so much more void now. I am just surprised there is no effort to create interesting ways to bring people together. Once the sim is balanced, that seems like the next logical choice for development.

it's pretty amazing there's still anyone here at all, 10 years later with little to no updates anytime in the recent past

never say never, but I wouldn't call it likely that Bort suddenly rediscovers an interest in developing this game further

There are over 300 teams, and there are a lot of dots. I am not sure how much of that is on legacy flex and how much is on newly bought flex.

You're preaching to the converted, fella. Obviously, since we're still here

But you're also barking into the Void, because there are lots and lots of good ideas, and a grand total of ZERO that have been implemented in, what, at least 5 years?

Originally posted by czman
There are over 300 teams, and there are a lot of dots. I am not sure how much of that is on legacy flex and how much is on newly bought flex.

i'd be surprised if there were 5 dozen active teams left. there's barely enough teams left to fill 2 pro leagues let alone 4. and the problems we've had over the past few seasons that took days to even get a response to says that maybe they look here 2 or 3 times a week. enjoy it while you can, until one day, the site will just be gone.

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
i'd be surprised if there were 5 dozen active teams left. there's barely enough teams left to fill 2 pro leagues let alone 4. and the problems we've had over the past few seasons that took days to even get a response to says that maybe they look here 2 or 3 times a week. enjoy it while you can, until one day, the site will just be gone.

Yeah, that is low. There are far more active then 5 dozen.

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
i'd be surprised if there were 5 dozen active teams left. there's barely enough teams left to fill 2 pro leagues let alone 4. and the problems we've had over the past few seasons that took days to even get a response to says that maybe they look here 2 or 3 times a week. enjoy it while you can, until one day, the site will just be gone.

I think there is a very Pro/WL league bias in the game. It takes a year+ to get a new dot there. That is one of the problems. Basically the game seems to be Pee Wee and Pro plus.

That is why I suggested locked progression leagues. It kind of makes the entire life valuable.

Just for myself, I am not willing to spend nearly over a year building so that I can get a ~6 months of comparative play. For people who are just building replacements while they have end game dots it is probably a less than ideal solution. For returning players and new players it is just awful.

Originally posted by czman
I think there is a very Pro/WL league bias in the game. It takes a year+ to get a new dot there. That is one of the problems. Basically the game seems to be Pee Wee and Pro plus.

That is why I suggested locked progression leagues. It kind of makes the entire life valuable.

Just for myself, I am not willing to spend nearly over a year building so that I can get a ~6 months of comparative play. For people who are just building replacements while they have end game dots it is probably a less than ideal solution. For returning players and new players it is just awful.

And if your trying out new builds...

Originally posted by Sonic
And if your trying out new builds...

I don't understand the comment. The idea of having additional leagues would not negate what there is today. It would just allow another style of play that may allow a dot to have a longer meaningful career. The other leagues would still be there for trying out new builds.

These don't have to be mutually exclusive you know.

Originally posted by czman
I don't understand the comment. The idea of having additional leagues would not negate what there is today. It would just allow another style of play that may allow a dot to have a longer meaningful career. The other leagues would still be there for trying out new builds.

These don't have to be mutually exclusive you know.

Time taken building the dot? You spelled it out in your post:

Originally posted by czman
I think there is a very Pro/WL league bias in the game. It takes a year+ to get a new dot there. That is one of the problems. Basically the game seems to be Pee Wee and Pro plus.

That is why I suggested locked progression leagues. It kind of makes the entire life valuable.

Just for myself, I am not willing to spend nearly over a year building so that I can get a ~6 months of comparative play. For people who are just building replacements while they have end game dots it is probably a less than ideal solution. For returning players and new players it is just awful.

What I didn't say was, and then find out if the dot is effective at that level.