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I would have loved had they done this... in fact I begged bort for exactly this,
but they never got around to it, and even before they stopped making changes
it was apparent they'd never find time for this one, they weren't making any more
big changes to the AI system. Its a shame, but we've got what we've got,
and there are some ways to work with it.

You see how valuable pWRs are, considering how few ppl seem to make them.
I'd suggest, if you want to go with this tactic, pick a spot you like to run at,
and put all pWR there, or TEs even if you have none. You will have to work
it into your passing game (I use custom progressions, route combinations,
and even some screens based around the fact that one of my WR positions
is stronger than he is fast) to be the most effective, but it can really work effectively.
Then, you can always switch it up if you notice any teams trying to cheat and put
power safeties or something on them, and really burn them. I notice most teams
don't notice what is happening if you have pWRs, and even if they do, a good pWR
should be able to burn a tanky safety if he has a decent combination of speed or agility
to go with the strenth. Remember, you don't necessarily need a guy with 90 strength!
Just a guy who has a little better strength than the CBs he is blocking will make all the difference.

Also, strangely enough, while having high strength and high blocking is great for O-linemen, it's not really needed outside of the O-line. I've used defensive players on ST's as blockers as long as they had high enough strength and, amazingly enough, they could hold a block long enough to let the returner get past... and you KNOW those defensive guys didn't have a buttload of blocking skill. So if I were building a WR (which I've done before) that is not only good at catching enough to be a good possession WR... but also is able to block on outside runs, go with Strength. If you can slip a little blocking in as well, great.

Originally posted by darncat
I would have loved had they done this... in fact I begged bort for exactly this,
but they never got around to it, and even before they stopped making changes
it was apparent they'd never find time for this one, they weren't making any more
big changes to the AI system. Its a shame, but we've got what we've got,
and there are some ways to work with it.

You see how valuable pWRs are, considering how few ppl seem to make them.
I'd suggest, if you want to go with this tactic, pick a spot you like to run at,
and put all pWR there, or TEs even if you have none. You will have to work
it into your passing game (I use custom progressions, route combinations,
and even some screens based around the fact that one of my WR positions
is stronger than he is fast) to be the most effective, but it can really work effectively.
Then, you can always switch it up if you notice any teams trying to cheat and put
power safeties or something on them, and really burn them. I notice most teams
don't notice what is happening if you have pWRs, and even if they do, a good pWR
should be able to burn a tanky safety if he has a decent combination of speed or agility
to go with the strenth. Remember, you don't necessarily need a guy with 90 strength!
Just a guy who has a little better strength than the CBs he is blocking will make all the difference.

I used that last season. But im not the OC anymore, just helping my friend sometimes. i really enjoy work with pWR on the team.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Also, strangely enough, while having high strength and high blocking is great for O-linemen, it's not really needed outside of the O-line. I've used defensive players on ST's as blockers as long as they had high enough strength and, amazingly enough, they could hold a block long enough to let the returner get past... and you KNOW those defensive guys didn't have a buttload of blocking skill. So if I were building a WR (which I've done before) that is not only good at catching enough to be a good possession WR... but also is able to block on outside runs, go with Strength. If you can slip a little blocking in as well, great.

yes, that is what im telling the pWR of my team do. a lot of STR, and if possible, at the playoffs go to 20-25 in blck

I honestly don't know if i'll ever train my pWRs block... she isn't even all that strong right now,
as her first stat is agility. Still just by multi-training the strength is up to the 48 cap and in second year
its been more than enough to successfully block her man pretty much every time. She doesn't get as
many pancakes as the pWR i built strength first, but all we need is the WR to hold the block-
99% of the time that is enough for us to get a big gain- and this way she is also a decent receiver and
might turn out to be a great possession receiver along with 80-90 strength for the run game,
which should be plenty to get away with no blocking training, considering most CBs never get very strong...
at least this is my thinking, and as far as i've seen, when the WR has a strength advantage they don't
necessarily need a lot of blocking to successfully block the CB

I'm guessing you guys are meaning Possession WR's arches and not POWER WR arches (which is what I prefer to use myself). If it's a Possession arch then you might want to put a 'little' into blocking (very little) as the arch doesn't allow you to get the same size (height and weight combinations) as the Power build does. Of course, a lot of peeps use TE's and just stick them in the WR slots. Not my favorite approach as the hit for OOP I think makes it the weaker way to go.

No, I'm talking about Power WR

Originally posted by budokee
yes, that is what im telling the pWR of my team do. a lot of STR, and if possible, at the playoffs go to 20-25 in blck

He's an example of a pWRr going agi first (which hopefully will make a better receiver in end build)
with just multi-training the strength close to the 48 cap. Strength is her second att,
and I've now just put the first sp i've put into it to hit the cap, and will continue with t obviously.

Note that I've yet to touch her block. Now, I'll be the first to tell you she doesn't get as many
pancakes early in her career as the pWR i built strength first did. However, a block doesn't need to
pancake to do the job.

http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2914300&pbp_id=410808
this is just solid blocks by medium strength players, and someone with the agility to run behind those blocks.

http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2914305&pbp_id=473475
not a pancake- but if all our WRs blocked like this, we'd score on almost every run

Now, i show you this not to say that this is the best way to make a player, but to show
that just an investment in strength alone will vastly improve a WRs blocking-
making it effective without even necessarily going strength first or even training a lot of block.

In fact, I'd recommend against training blocking early in a WR career at all, as it is neither a major or minor.
Personally if i was going to train block, i'd wait until my majors were multi-trained up first

Now, my question is, right now she will have a 97 agi in end build, but i can get in one more point
before it goes over the 85 cap. Should i forgo this to try to push strength as far as it i can,
or hit up that last point to finish with 98 agi? TBH i wanted 100, but these 5 major WRs have
too many needs and not enough algs to make that seem wise. I'm only looking at strength in the mid 80's
if i'm to be able to get speed over 140 with the AEQs! Will mid 80s strength cut it for a pWR?

i see

ive never created a dot until 250+ days. So im very noob for the late seasons.

My team right now have a lot of begginers agents, friends of mine.
And I know my team wont be competitive in pro/WL, so we are going until we can make it to playoffs and then we r going to rebuild everything again, improve the dots and make a stronger team.

so for the begginers seasons, im enjoying to have pWR with more STR than AGI, but they r not getting passes, they serve only to block

Originally posted by budokee
i see

ive never created a dot until 250+ days. So im very noob for the late seasons.

My team right now have a lot of begginers agents, friends of mine.
And I know my team wont be competitive in pro/WL, so we are going until we can make it to playoffs and then we r going to rebuild everything again, improve the dots and make a stronger team.

so for the begginers seasons, im enjoying to have pWR with more STR than AGI, but they r not getting passes, they serve only to block

Yeah, its probably a natural progression. The first team i owned, most of the agents and myself included,
built dots without a true understanding on how to get the most effective SP at end build, but we were able
to win all the way up to world league and get good experience at the game. Then in world league we got crushed,
could hardly win a game, so we knew it was time to start again and use everything we learned from the beginning.

That team was looking pretty good, but due to divorce and rl stuff i stopped playing, so i never got to see how
they would have turned out. It was the captivation of an extraordinary NLF play-offs this season along with
a nagging desire to see what would have happened with those players (and also to make more game plans!)
that got me back into the game. Therefore, I can't say for sure that a high agility, good strength and speed
(but not at all blazing speed) pWR will be successful, but i feel it can be, especially as our custom route progressions
are set up to get guys as they come out of their breaks, high agi may be more important for that than pure speed.
Still, i can't say I know what will happen, but it makes sense, so its worth the effort to me to try.

Anyhow, the thing i've noticed, it doesn't take all that much investment in strength (or maybe any blocking at all)
to still have a WR who's pretty darn good at blocking DBs. Thus it might be possible to make a player who blocks effectively
yet who can still be a pretty good WR.

I almost like the blocking of the agi first pWR than the strength first one i had before.
Notice how she has decent movement on her blocks, and sometimes effectively pins them inside,
so they can't get off the block as the runner goes by. With the strength first WR, she'd get more pancakes
but if not, they'd be off that block as soon as the ball carrier ran past it. I'm not sure which i like better.
In her first season i'd say the strength first, now i'm leaning towards agi first, and i feel i will even more
in her thirsd season and beyond, for what that is worth... i'll let you know when i get there lol

Just to let you know, those DB’s you blocked in your replays-The first one is underleveled, and “man specialist” CB with probably 6-8 strength. Same for the second one, he just isn’t underleveled. So of course your WR with 48 strength blocked them good.

Originally posted by Rocdog21
Just to let you know, those DB’s you blocked in your replays-The first one is underleveled, and “man specialist” CB with probably 6-8 strength. Same for the second one, he just isn’t underleveled. So of course your WR with 48 strength blocked them good.

Beat the living snot out of them!

FIX UR BUILDS

Originally posted by Rocdog21
Just to let you know, those DB’s you blocked in your replays-The first one is underleveled, and “man specialist” CB with probably 6-8 strength. Same for the second one, he just isn’t underleveled. So of course your WR with 48 strength blocked them good.

These aren't the only 2 plays she blocked well... do you want to just watch all our plays from the whole season?
I have, multiple times. Some of the CBs have ~10 str, and they get blocked easily every time.
Some of them have strength ~35, they still get blocked really easily.. Occasionally she has to block
a hhCB and then it is a pretty even match-up which means she still usually holds the block.
A couple times she had to block strength first hh type players at CB with around 85 strength-
she had a difficult time with that- and i also recall we passed with ease on them, and these
huge corners could hardly catch our runners even when they got off the blocks. They still couldn't
reverse pancake her even one time, though all our other WRs went down like flies.
When she fails in any typical blocking assignment, its just about always because she is not speedy
enough to get to the guy in time, or takes a wrong step due to vision, its never being over powered.

I'm not sure what your point is. My pWR should always be significantly stronger than any speed based
coverage corners will be (and have a bit more agi on most of them as well) so it doesn't seem this dynamic
will change much. Note that I am not talking about blocking defensive lineman nor am i talking about pancakes.
I'm simply talking about holding a block on a CB long enough for the runner to get past-
if the runner is worth his money he should be able to take care of business from there.

I'm not trying to knock on you or anything, but you keep talking about how good your WR is at blocking, and I'm just letting you know based off the replays you chose to post why she blocked them so good. That's what my point is.

Not sure how you know what other DB's strengths are set at....but ok.