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Utah Nurse Arrested for Refusing to Give Patient’s Blood to Police

https://www.google.com/search?q=Alex+Wubbels&tbm=nws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihQ1-LQOkns

Originally posted by Catullus16
Utah Nurse Arrested for Refusing to Give Patient’s Blood to Police

https://www.google.com/search?q=Alex+Wubbels&tbm=nws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihQ1-LQOkns


thank god for body cams

Originally posted by Catullus16
Utah Nurse Arrested for Refusing to Give Patient’s Blood to Police

https://www.google.com/search?q=Alex+Wubbels&tbm=nws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihQ1-LQOkns

That's a very interesting case because you have two laws contradicting each other in this case, the guy's blood they wanted to draw, is a truck driver's, holding a valid CDL, by law any accident he is involved with, he has to provide blood to test.

Originally posted by sjmay
That's a very interesting case because you have two laws contradicting each other in this case, the guy's blood they wanted to draw, is a truck driver's, holding a valid CDL, by law any accident he is involved with, he has to provide blood to test.

you live in utah?

Originally posted by Catullus16
Utah Nurse Arrested for Refusing to Give Patient’s Blood to Police

https://www.google.com/search?q=Alex+Wubbels&tbm=nws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihQ1-LQOkns

Disgusting.

Originally posted by Catullus16
you live in utah?

No, it's a Federal law for truck drivers.

Originally posted by sjmay
No, it's a Federal law for truck drivers.

I'm exempt but it is a giant pain in the ass to have to keep proving that every time I file the biennial report to maintain my US DOT #.

I haul my own agriculture products which consists of breeding cattle but I check several other boxes just in case. There are still agents that think I need to be in a random drug testing program and since I own the company, they believe I need to hire a 3rd party manager to randomly select me to do random drug tests.

Originally posted by Cowpoker
I'm exempt but it is a giant pain in the ass to have to keep proving that every time I file the biennial report to maintain my US DOT #.

I haul my own agriculture products which consists of breeding cattle but I check several other boxes just in case. There are still agents that think I need to be in a random drug testing program and since I own the company, they believe I need to hire a 3rd party manager to randomly select me to do random drug tests.

LOL yea, that must be fun...luckily everyone I work with, hauls for contract so they KNOW they have to do the drug testing etc.

Originally posted by sjmay
No, it's a Federal law for truck drivers.

this is not my area of expertise, so i'm not saying you're wrong... but you're the first i've heard make this claim and i've found you to be quite wrong on other matters, so now i'm curious. i found this:
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/382.303
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=1&ty=HTML&h=L&mc=true&=PART&n=pt49.5.382#se49.5.382_1303

i see language in there where tests performed by law enforcement can serve as the tests required by the employer, but i see nothing about a driver needing to comply with tests by law enforcement (only their employer). moreover, i see nothing about consent, especially in the case of a driver who can't give any.

Originally posted by Cowpoker
I'm exempt but it is a giant pain in the ass to have to keep proving that every time I file the biennial report to maintain my US DOT #.

I haul my own agriculture products which consists of breeding cattle but I check several other boxes just in case. There are still agents that think I need to be in a random drug testing program and since I own the company, they believe I need to hire a 3rd party manager to randomly select me to do random drug tests.

but what about post-accident?

Originally posted by Catullus16
this is not my area of expertise, so i'm not saying you're wrong... but you're the first i've heard make this claim and i've found you to be quite wrong on other matters, so now i'm curious. i found this:
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/382.303
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=1&ty=HTML&h=L&mc=true&=PART&n=pt49.5.382#se49.5.382_1303

i see language in there where tests performed by law enforcement can serve as the tests required by the employer, but i see nothing about a driver needing to comply with tests by law enforcement (only their employer). moreover, i see nothing about consent, especially in the case of a driver who can't give any.

That's what makes this an interesting case, hospital can not force a patient to give blood against their consent, they have to have consent. Guy who is unconscious can not give consent.

Trucker involved in accident, HAS to give blood per FMSCA,

The cop/detective erred, he needed to get a warrant, which I believe is what the hospital admin on the cell was asking him to do.

Originally posted by sjmay
That's what makes this an interesting case, hospital can not force a patient to give blood against their consent, they have to have consent. Guy who is unconscious can not give consent.
that's not the crux of the matter.

Originally posted by sjmay
Trucker involved in accident, HAS to give blood per FMSCA,
that's the crux of the matter. and i repeat, i see nothing in the law that says the trucker HAS to give blood to law enforcement. can you prove your claim?

Originally posted by sjmay
The cop/detective erred, he needed to get a warrant, which I believe is what the hospital admin on the cell was asking him to do.
welcome back to the side everyone is already on, i guess.

Originally posted by Catullus16

welcome back to the side everyone is already on, i guess.

I never took a side you fucking moron,

And I can prove it, just not going to bother to try and find it. It's common knowledge in the industry.