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Do these two SAs visibly fire? Will Juke or Head Fake appear over the dots head? I haven't noticed it. If so how can you tell how effective they are?

Juke is visible when it fires, Not sure about the head fake

Juke, headfake and catch fake all visably show over your dots head when they successfully fake a defender.

Keep in mind, there are times your fake sa (or break tackle sa) "fires" but you don't see it because the defender wins the fake vs anti fake roll.

As far as how effective, for practical purposes you can observe whether it lead to separation or getting past the defender. Of you wanna know fake strength (which is effected by how hard you won the battle roll) you could see how many ticks on the replay the defender is stunned.

Anecdotally, I'd say juke is great, while head fake and catch fake are meh at the top levels.

weird I went back on a bunch of replays and didn't see it fire once for anyone. Its not that I don't believe you I just haven't seen it fire. Can you link me to a replay where it does fire?

Originally posted by Montoya829
weird I went back on a bunch of replays and didn't see it fire once for anyone. Its not that I don't believe you I just haven't seen it fire. Can you link me to a replay where it does fire?

Wr1 juices the cb here.

http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2465320&pbp_id=6047681

Look for long td passes in any WL game recap, it'll be a juke or a catch fake almost certainly.

http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2874627&pbp_id=350849

Here's a head fake. Young dots, with only the 1 point from ceq tree bonus

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Wr1 juices the cb here.

http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2465320&pbp_id=6047681

Yeah I saw the stutter step but it did not say juke fired.

Originally posted by Montoya829
Yeah I saw the stutter step but it did not say juke fired.

That's more a product of the glitchy system of replays that GLB uses than a statement of fact that it did or didn't fire. After many years of doing Scout work for several teams (no... retired and don't want to get back into it again) all I can say is you can often see the EFFECTS of a particular SA firing... and never see the little notation claiming it fired. If we completely relied on getting the notification of each SA firing, we'd hardly ever put SP's into any SA as it would seem to be a worthless endeavor... either that or we'd simply have to take GLB's word that they work much more often than it seems.

My HB has 11 in juke with 90+ agility. I should assume its firing constantly?

Originally posted by Montoya829
Yeah I saw the stutter step but it did not say juke fired.

What? It absolutely says juke over the defenders head when he pauses. Are you using flash or regular replays? Try the other. Is your Greasemonkey installed with scripts? Try disabling it.

I'd screenshot if I was on a computer and not lazy, but alas.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
That's more a product of the glitchy system of replays that GLB uses than a statement of fact that it did or didn't fire. After many years of doing Scout work for several teams (no... retired and don't want to get back into it again) all I can say is you can often see the EFFECTS of a particular SA firing... and never see the little notation claiming it fired. If we completely relied on getting the notification of each SA firing, we'd hardly ever put SP's into any SA as it would seem to be a worthless endeavor... either that or we'd simply have to take GLB's word that they work much more often than it seems.

Fake and break tackle SA's definitely 100% of the time they work successfully, will appear over the dots in question head. They were coded to do so.

So you know how often a juke or power thru fires and succeeds. You have no idea at all how often something like tunnel vision fires.

Originally posted by Montoya829
My HB has 11 in juke with 90+ agility. I should assume its firing constantly?


No guessing required. In this replay it should say "juked" over the head of the FS when the dot is stunned and shrinked.

http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2862777&pbp_id=1205733

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Originally posted by Montoya829

Yeah I saw the stutter step but it did not say juke fired.

What? It absolutely says juke over the defenders head when he pauses. Are you using flash or regular replays? Try the other. Is your Greasemonkey installed with scripts? Try disabling it.

I'd screenshot if I was on a computer and not lazy, but alas.

I saw it - and I have Greasemonkey enabled

it says "Juked" over the CB on the right side of the screen

Juke is great and a must have for speed receivers. Head fake doesn't fire often and sometimes doesn't even get the receiver open as defenders can recover from it easier. Catch fake is good and different from the other 2 fakes in that it can fire at any time during the route.