Warrior General Games

Originally posted by TJ Spikes
would it be possible to do some kind of trial run of any kind?

We did.

The first 5 years.

Personally, I would be fine with the game staying the way it is. I don't need any updates or announcements. I love this game, and will play till the lights are turned off. If I knew this game was gonna be around for awhile I wouldn't have a problem investing more money, just hard when I know when this game does shut down my only options are GLB2 and Mighty Brawlers. I play my free player on GLB2 but don't care for it at all. kinda boring(just my own opinion)
All this being said, the game is where its at and nothings gonna change that. Lets play some dang dotball...while we still can.

Originally posted by BadBuc99
I'd rather watch a bunch of one legged people try to fix a roof.

wai.. that would be fun to watch no matter what game you were playing.. lol

Originally posted by euchrid
Money isn't "pouring" into GLB1. That's the point.

Understood. While GLB1 may be more expensive with more dots and more teams, GLB1 is filled with "old money" users living on retired flex. As such I can understand that GLB2 makes more money (ie more new flex purchases) than GLB1.

With that said, there are still a huge number of teams and dots here. Based on dots/teams in the minors, GLB1's decline has finally hit a bit of a plateau, one would imagine being able to further monetize current users would make sense as a business trying to make money...

Cornblade thinks GLB1 is a bad game. Clearly it is not if we are all still here. The build time is a problem, however there are logical solutions that both (a) decrease player build time and (b) increase WGG profit (more flex purchases = more moneyz). The problem is any options involve >0 effort by WGG.

Lets say GLB1 is accounting for 10% of new flex purchases (which has to be a very low estimate given the numbers of players/teams here but whatever), would it be so much to ask that 10% of the time given to current projects be on this game?

Lets say you bring in insta-dots and make them cost 900/600/300 flex per season with no flex refund. You now have incredibly expensive dots that burn through all the flex of GLB vets so those who still love the game will have to buy more eventually. Make it so you can't create an insta-max dot until you've taken 1 dot to L79 and walla, a mythical new player still gets to pretend this is an RPG.

The fact is people are here for the football and strategy elements, but at this point the RPG/growth over time isn't very valuable to most here. Keep in mind the above is very expensive and I'm sure a lower price point would be optimized for more players to be interested in the long term (such as 600/400/200 with no refund), but keep in mind the above burns 233% more flex each season than the current buy+refund which only costs 270 flex per 900 net.

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Whole thing is moot as Bort is clearly retired and cornblade has neither the access nor the familiarity to jack with Bort's GLB1 code. Plus when your boss gives marching death orders "NO MORE CHANGES TO GLB1" you deal with it or get fired. I imagine Eucrid can't even bring up GLB1 tidbits to Bort without being yelled at.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Cornblade thinks GLB1 is a bad game.

I think GLB Classic is a great game.

I'm not the one complaining that it's not being changed regularly.

GLB2 make a dot..never find a team to play on other then CPU..great times

Despite the existential and ultimately inconsequential debates about what could be improved, should be improved, etc...

I honestly don't think you need to change anything -- there are obviously a lot of people here who still love this game -- if you would just let people know that it's ok to build dots because you expect the game to still be around when they're at the end of their plateau.

Originally posted by haole
Despite the existential and ultimately inconsequential debates about what could be improved, should be improved, etc...

I honestly don't think you need to change anything -- there are obviously a lot of people here who still love this game -- if you would just let people know that it's ok to build dots because you expect the game to still be around when they're at the end of their plateau.

We've said the game will be around as long as people are playing it.

We've been saying that for years.

Just stop moaning everyone and get the fuck on with it!

Originally posted by Corndog
We've said the game will be around as long as people are playing it.

We've been saying that for years.

Actually, I think what I've seen being said for years is that the game will be around as long as it continues to make financial sense to keep it around. The statement above is somewhat more reassuring,, but also a little misleading and probably too vague, unless you want us to assume that as long as "people"are still playing it means anything more than one person.

Take a look in the other thread at the number of people who state they won't buy more flex or build more dots because they don't think the game will be around enough long enough to spend it/build them. Almost all the long-term agents I know who are dropping out or planning to drop out in the near future cite this exact same reason.

Now ask yourself if you've done enough to make people understand that the game will still be around long enough for them to spend their flex and build their dots.

Originally posted by euchrid
Money isn't "pouring" into GLB1. That's the point.

May 21, 2015 14:14:41
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Originally posted by TJ Spikes
well, first of all...
relative to what? a new release that dies off in a couple months? that's probably true.
how many other games out there are still making anything after 7+ years tho?
glb1 is a proven winner in the long term.

Euchrid
I agree that it is remarkable that GLB1 has been around for as long as it has, but it takes a major leap to get from there to 'ditch the projects that are making you money and try to revive the old and busted project'.


Originally posted by TJ Spikes
is it really that hard to rationalize that an investment in this game will generate a return in the long run?

Euchrid
The only way I can think of to answer this is to turn it around: Is it really that hard to understand that an investment in this game is unlikely to generate a return in the long run? I mean, clearly it is, since this is still a constant topic of discussion in this forum. And I'm sorry, I know you guys like the game(or, you used to like it) a lot, you prefer it over our other games, everyone has an idea for a magic GLB1 fix. No one wants to hear it. But we're done actively developing GLB1. We're still supporting it, it will still be around as-is for as long as you guys keep playing it, but we cannot keep developing it forever.



Ok, I get it now, money is not pouring in now because when the game first started with the current price structure when it was at its peak us customers paid a dollar amount for our players with a 70% refund after we retire said players with glb raking in the cash that was pouring in.
Now that us players (that are left) are sitting on all that 70% refund money instead of buying more flex glb has decided to not try to revive what you just said is a old and busted project (as the money is not currently pouring in) for the fact that you don't want to give up something that is currently making money.
So glb is done developing glb1 but you will support it as long as we are around and playing it but no one can say how long that will be which is understandable.

Thanks Euchrid for the confirmation, I guess I did make the right decision a year ago to start burning up the flex that I have been sitting on while glb 1 is still around.

Seems like a weird circular argument here.

A: Game still has a solid following. Won't shut down.
B: Game has little following if any. Shuts down.

If you are at part A you really shouldn't be too worried.

If you are at part B it obviously means there are very few people mad that the game gets shut down as everyone has already left anyways.

Originally posted by Corndog
We've said the game will be around as long as people are playing it.

We've been saying that for years.

how about you fix league team stats

http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/team_stats.pl?league_id=280&conference_id=0

if the game is going to be around you might as well make sure all its around