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Originally posted by Dustin Diamond
lets not turn this into focusing on that one idea. How about thinking about what can improve the pro leagues?

Contraction is the only way to improve the leagues.

Originally posted by Dub J
Contraction is the only way to improve the leagues.



I'm onboard with that.

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
I'm onboard with that.

as long as they keep canada idc.

Originally posted by Dustin Diamond
lets not turn this into focusing on that one idea. How about thinking about what can improve the pro leagues?

Only Bort and DD and the boys can improve it at this point. It realistically wouldn't take too much to get parts of the userbase fired up and could easily bring some of those that have been lost back. All they need to do is put a little effort into some subtle changes and upgrades here and there. There are and have been plenty of good suggestions put forth for the past couple of years. The issue is finding them up under alot of the bullshit that seems to get suggested also.

This is by far the best football sim game out there or we would have all left and gone to wherever by now. Hell I still spend my $100 plus dollars a month on here.

Originally posted by Spread-em offense
Only Bort and DD and the boys can improve it at this point. It realistically wouldn't take too much to get parts of the userbase fired up and could easily bring some of those that have been lost back. All they need to do is put a little effort into some subtle changes and upgrades here and there. There are and have been plenty of good suggestions put forth for the past couple of years. The issue is finding them up under alol of the bullshit that seems to get suggested also.

Thsi is by far the best football sim game out there or we would have all left and gone to wherever by now. Hell I still spend my $100 plus dollars a month on here.


agreed. It is a good game and can still be a lot of fun, what sucks is watching it die like an AIDs patient.

Forewarned...rantings of a madman here...

I wouldnt touch WL (as of right now) as it is the only reason a lot of people still play the game imo. Whether its to get there, stay there, or win titles there...the level of competition is still pretty good & thats what is keeping a lot of people's interest (many of whom are not even in WL). But yeah contraction of Pro is the only solution if you pretty much have no desire to touch the game ever again.

But there are still a few relatively simple things that could be implemented to improve competition at Pro levels without contraction...

1) Insta-79 with some sort of SP penalty after XX level (my suggestion...d200 or L60 but this would be a good debate to have)
Doing this will keep a lot of teams from rebooting earlier than they otherwise would prefer to. Just preventing that alone would raise the relative competition levels of Pro, and likely WL as well since you wont be waiting for some elite teams to finish their reboot cycles as long. It also shortens the reboot cycle (if you assume most will boost to the highest non-penalized level) to a much more digestible 2 non-plateau seasons.

Of course, the downside is the minors would be a complete wasteland (lol as if they arent now). Probly just remove them at some point and just make everything below the level of non-penalty a D-League.

And you could also argue that it will just lead people to exit sooner as they'll burn thru flex faster. I say thats no reason to ever NOT do something....whats the benefit of them sticking around longer if they dont like the game enough to pay for it? But you never know...they could actually enjoy the game enough to pay for it if you do a few more things like #2 and #3 below.


2) Reduce roster sizes to 45 - (would be another good debate on exact number but you get the idea)
This will dramatically change roster management, build strategies, and team philosophy. You won't be as able to be good at everything like you can be today. You might actually need stamina to some degree. You might actually need some of those useless VAs nobody uses. Lots of things will change...and lots of experimenting with those insta 79s (or 60s without penalty as I describe it) would be needed...which means you wont be sitting on your piles of unpaid flex for long. And if you exit because you run out of flex...so be it you werent likely contributing much to the game anyway.

Issues would be when. I've suggested 2 per season in the past (so 5 seasons would be when you'd get down to 45) but I'm not sure that matters very much. Do it tomorrow and teams will make the cuts they feel they need to make.


3) Salary cap based on SPV - yeah I went there...who cares it wont happen anyway
So if #2 didnt change team and build strategy up enough...implement a SPV-based salary cap. People will need to rethink build strategies to optimize their SPV for maximum effectiveness. So maybe they slack on their speed a bit, or slack on vision, whatever. Point is...it will induce new strategies & experimentation which will mean more flex purchases needed (or flex GTFO sooners).


4) Open up the DPC - and add an OPC & let chaos rundown on this place
Really...does it matter that much any more? We'll find exploits on both sides of the ball then. You'll still need the right dots to execute them, and there will always be somebody who figures out a counter to it. Just let it go to a hardcore tactics game.

Man you guys must like to paint the outside of burnt out houses too, don't you?

Originally posted by Outlaw Dogs
Man you guys must like to paint the outside of burnt out houses too, don't you?

Well, at least I'm suggesting something that is plausible rather than shit DD has already stated will not happen.

Some quotes from an admin who will not be named...

Originally posted by 1
Thanks for writing in! There are not currently any plans to reduce the number of National Pro leagues, but we will keep looking at it. In future season, who knows what might happen.

Originally posted by 2
Again, I have not heard any mention of reorganizing the Pro leagues for Season 45. That could change for future seasons, but for now this is what we've got.

Originally posted by 3
Bort is aware of how many teams there are. This has been discussed before. I'm telling you what he told me: we're not planning on reducing the number of National Pro leagues. If/when that changes, I'm sure we will let people know.

So take that all for what it's worth I suppose. Clearly a 0% chance that league reduction happens for S45.

In a way, at least it's funny how far GLB has fallen and how alienated it's userbase has become due to the powers that be refusing to spend 1 hour a week on here doing maintenance.


Oh and by the way, while we are casting stones. Making dots cost their current price with a 70% return is not how you dominate a market. They finally got it better in GLB2, but why they kept an archaic and counter-intuitive pricing structure in GLB1 is beyond me. You want a little extra cash back to get them sticking around but having to buy more (think Kohl's Cash). You don't want to charge your highest possible price, thereby alienating a large portion of the market, followed by giving them most of their cash back, so they live on the free money rather than ever purchasing again.


*drops mic*

I talk to DD on twitter frequently. Dude is pretty receptive regarding WG game stuff.

1. Cut Pro Leagues in Half.
2. Only Promote 8 teams out of National Pro to WL.
3. Only demote the bottom 4 out of each WL Conference.

As for "Insta-79" make it "Insta 240 Day Old" (make peeps wait at least one season)

for insta 79s, i think it would be cool if it was setup like peewee.
- have bronze/silver/gold leagues. or reg pro/pro/wl. whatever
- d dots cost 600 a season, oline and STs cost 300 and WRs/QBs/HBs cost 900 a season (just as if you were boosting them)
- that way we dont spend 10k flex up front (will turn new guys away)
- let us keep them alive for however many seasons we currently have to go through for decline
- if you win your conference, you move up. vice versa for losing

that way new users dont have to pay $300 to make one dot.

so essentially its the same as we do now but we skip the slow build process.

Yeah the cost model is definitely out of whack. You don't charge a premium upfront & give back 70% unless you are running ads on the site. And if ad revenue gets high enough (as I would argue would have happened in the peak days) then you could reduce the cost even further to keep eyeballs on your site and ad revenue rolling in.

But in this game, dots should be disposably cheap with the focus on build strategies & optimizations. Teams should probably be more expensive with the cost of the team being able to get funded by the team flex bank.

Originally posted by Redass Ranch


As for "Insta-79" make it "Insta 240 Day Old" (make peeps wait at least one season)



I agree that some buildup period should be necessary before plateau but I like the ability to go to 79 with SP penalties (say 1-3 SP per level or whatever) as you hate to see a team that can't find a player at the highest level to compete when oddball shortages happen. Or some sort of scheme specific player's agent goes inactive. It should just never be an issue imo but the penalty makes sure you wont opt to build an entire team that way as you'll suffer for it.

They should just give me 3 free PW Gold teams.