defense vs a rushing qb...4/3 or 3/4 and why??
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3-4 if casual, 4-3 with DEs in the flats in regular. You want as many people as possible available to help against outside runs since that's where rushing QBs hurt you, but be careful for crafty OCs who use the RQB as a decoy to spread your defense out before running between the tackles.
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Originally posted by B1G
If you prefer DE in the flats, 4-3, if not 3-4
That's my take
As someone who uses rushing QBs, when I see a 4-3 defense with DEs going to the flats, I start POUNDING off-tackle runs with my HBs. Of course, as a DC, you might prefer giving up 5-6 yard gains on off-tackle plays instead of giving up 40-yard gains on QB outside runs, but as an OC, I'll take 5-6 yard gains all day long. Just means it'll take me a little longer to get my TDs, but I'll still get 'em.
The real answer here is to make sure that your D is varied and smart. If I know what defensive play you're going to use against me, I'll find a way to attack it. Call a variety of defensive plays and don't be predictable.
That's not to say don't send DEs to the flats, by the way... it's a good trick for containing rushing QBs. Just gotta keep in mind that it leaves you vulnerable to other things too, so if that's all you do, smart OCs will shred that defensive play to bits. Same goes for ANY singly play you cook up, for that matter. So, don't let the OC know or guess what you're gonna do.
If you prefer DE in the flats, 4-3, if not 3-4
That's my take
As someone who uses rushing QBs, when I see a 4-3 defense with DEs going to the flats, I start POUNDING off-tackle runs with my HBs. Of course, as a DC, you might prefer giving up 5-6 yard gains on off-tackle plays instead of giving up 40-yard gains on QB outside runs, but as an OC, I'll take 5-6 yard gains all day long. Just means it'll take me a little longer to get my TDs, but I'll still get 'em.
The real answer here is to make sure that your D is varied and smart. If I know what defensive play you're going to use against me, I'll find a way to attack it. Call a variety of defensive plays and don't be predictable.
That's not to say don't send DEs to the flats, by the way... it's a good trick for containing rushing QBs. Just gotta keep in mind that it leaves you vulnerable to other things too, so if that's all you do, smart OCs will shred that defensive play to bits. Same goes for ANY singly play you cook up, for that matter. So, don't let the OC know or guess what you're gonna do.
Originally posted by Novus
As someone who uses rushing QBs, when I see a 4-3 defense with DEs going to the flats, I start POUNDING off-tackle runs with my HBs. Of course, as a DC, you might prefer giving up 5-6 yard gains on off-tackle plays instead of giving up 40-yard gains on QB outside runs, but as an OC, I'll take 5-6 yard gains all day long. Just means it'll take me a little longer to get my TDs, but I'll still get 'em.
The real answer here is to make sure that your D is varied and smart. If I know what defensive play you're going to use against me, I'll find a way to attack it. Call a variety of defensive plays and don't be predictable.
That's not to say don't send DEs to the flats, by the way... it's a good trick for containing rushing QBs. Just gotta keep in mind that it leaves you vulnerable to other things too, so if that's all you do, smart OCs will shred that defensive play to bits. Same goes for ANY singly play you cook up, for that matter. So, don't let the OC know or guess what you're gonna do.
I'd much rather give up 21 points on off tackles and give my offense a chance to win than give up 63 allowing big plays. I hate giving up big plays. Make Westbrook beat you, don't let Durant get hot.
As someone who uses rushing QBs, when I see a 4-3 defense with DEs going to the flats, I start POUNDING off-tackle runs with my HBs. Of course, as a DC, you might prefer giving up 5-6 yard gains on off-tackle plays instead of giving up 40-yard gains on QB outside runs, but as an OC, I'll take 5-6 yard gains all day long. Just means it'll take me a little longer to get my TDs, but I'll still get 'em.
The real answer here is to make sure that your D is varied and smart. If I know what defensive play you're going to use against me, I'll find a way to attack it. Call a variety of defensive plays and don't be predictable.
That's not to say don't send DEs to the flats, by the way... it's a good trick for containing rushing QBs. Just gotta keep in mind that it leaves you vulnerable to other things too, so if that's all you do, smart OCs will shred that defensive play to bits. Same goes for ANY singly play you cook up, for that matter. So, don't let the OC know or guess what you're gonna do.
I'd much rather give up 21 points on off tackles and give my offense a chance to win than give up 63 allowing big plays. I hate giving up big plays. Make Westbrook beat you, don't let Durant get hot.
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I found a new technique that seems to work really well out of both the 3-4 and 4-3. Using Power LB's at ROLB and LOLB, either zoning them to the flats instead of the DE's (to protect against off tackle) or just having them occupy the TE's on either side, or even blitzing. All 3 seem to work in different ways so you could probably pick your favorite of the bunch.
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Originally posted by Pwned
I found a new technique that seems to work really well out of both the 3-4 and 4-3. Using Power LB's at ROLB and LOLB, either zoning them to the flats instead of the DE's (to protect against off tackle) or just having them occupy the TE's on either side, or even blitzing. All 3 seem to work in different ways so you could probably pick your favorite of the bunch.
exactly what I do... Power LB to occupy the TEs, O-Line, FB with the other LBs deep
I found a new technique that seems to work really well out of both the 3-4 and 4-3. Using Power LB's at ROLB and LOLB, either zoning them to the flats instead of the DE's (to protect against off tackle) or just having them occupy the TE's on either side, or even blitzing. All 3 seem to work in different ways so you could probably pick your favorite of the bunch.
exactly what I do... Power LB to occupy the TEs, O-Line, FB with the other LBs deep
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Originally posted by jamesdean
defense vs a rushing qb...4/3 or 3/4 and why??
Gamble with your CBs anf give the offense the passing game. The QB will [probably] be terrible at throwing anyway.
Either 4-3 or 3-4... It will depend on what kind of players you have.
defense vs a rushing qb...4/3 or 3/4 and why??
Gamble with your CBs anf give the offense the passing game. The QB will [probably] be terrible at throwing anyway.
Either 4-3 or 3-4... It will depend on what kind of players you have.
Edited by Lore on Mar 21, 2014 16:05:32
jamesdean
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will play 2 scrimmage games against team with rushing qbs, will try 2 differents things and will see what happen!
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Originally posted by jamesdean
well it seems that both tactics did not works...
There IS a chance, that the coordinators read this forum, and adjusted to everything that was suggested.
well it seems that both tactics did not works...
There IS a chance, that the coordinators read this forum, and adjusted to everything that was suggested.
Originally posted by ClutchDreams
There IS a chance, that the coordinators read this forum, and adjusted to everything that was suggested.
Somewhat true. Realize that what you can do is limited... especially on defense. So that means you can make SOME changes... but not changes intense enough to really shut down a very good offensive scheme. Against a predictable offense (scout your opponents before you play them), you'll have much more success as you figure out what works and what doesn't. But against good quality offenses, you're gonna have to scout MUCH harder to be able to stop them.
There IS a chance, that the coordinators read this forum, and adjusted to everything that was suggested.
Somewhat true. Realize that what you can do is limited... especially on defense. So that means you can make SOME changes... but not changes intense enough to really shut down a very good offensive scheme. Against a predictable offense (scout your opponents before you play them), you'll have much more success as you figure out what works and what doesn't. But against good quality offenses, you're gonna have to scout MUCH harder to be able to stop them.
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Rookie or other low level Casual here's what you've got against you:
tons of missed vision checks,
rQBs that run real fast all game long regardless of stamina,
secondary players that pick daisies instead of getting into the play.
So what you have to do is get as many players in the way as possible and count on getting diving tackles.
The one good thing is that the low level rQB will for some reason aim right for any player that's nearby which almost always results in a tackle. Also don't worry about off tackles. In casual offenses off tackles are the same class of play as outside rushes.
Also don't worry about 4 Defensive Linemen. Even if they decide to rush inside for some reason your linemen will complete a diving tackle more often than not. And you're going to want as many LBs, CBs and Safeties in the play as possible.
Therefor forget the presets and use these tactics against an out of control rQB.
(This also works well against the wildcat preset since its all zone)
3/4 Formation
0% Auto Adjust
100% blitz
0% Pass 100% Rush.
0% Inside 100% Outside balanced.
50% Zone Short and 50% Zone Medium. (but I've seen 100% zone short work too especially against a 2 rQB offense)
2 QB Spies. 100% FS, 100% ROLB, 100% SS, 100% LOLB.
tons of missed vision checks,
rQBs that run real fast all game long regardless of stamina,
secondary players that pick daisies instead of getting into the play.
So what you have to do is get as many players in the way as possible and count on getting diving tackles.
The one good thing is that the low level rQB will for some reason aim right for any player that's nearby which almost always results in a tackle. Also don't worry about off tackles. In casual offenses off tackles are the same class of play as outside rushes.
Also don't worry about 4 Defensive Linemen. Even if they decide to rush inside for some reason your linemen will complete a diving tackle more often than not. And you're going to want as many LBs, CBs and Safeties in the play as possible.
Therefor forget the presets and use these tactics against an out of control rQB.
(This also works well against the wildcat preset since its all zone)
3/4 Formation
0% Auto Adjust
100% blitz
0% Pass 100% Rush.
0% Inside 100% Outside balanced.
50% Zone Short and 50% Zone Medium. (but I've seen 100% zone short work too especially against a 2 rQB offense)
2 QB Spies. 100% FS, 100% ROLB, 100% SS, 100% LOLB.
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