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Is there any impact penalities to a player playing out of post ion. Examples would be offensive lineman player at center, guard,tackle, blocking tight end. Other examples would be Defensive lineman playing defensive end and defensive tackle. Also what about corners and safeties playing out of position in the secondary. What about tight end and special teams player be used as a blocking fullback. Finally what about a blocking fullback used as a blocking tight end? Does anyone know?
 
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There are penalties for playing out of position, and they are thought to range from 5% penalty from very similar positions (FB as TE, Guard as Center, etc) to much larger (defensive tackle playing QB, LB playing TE, etc).
 
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Yes, there is an out-of-position penalty, also known as an OOP. It varies depending on the difference between the player's natural position and the position they're being asked to play. (Archetype doesn't matter for the OOP at all.)

Nobody knows the exact penalty, though the smallest OOP is believed to be a 5% across-the-board penalty to all attributes. For your particular questions...

offensive lineman player at center, guard,tackle
Shouldn't be too bad if it's just one hop: C at G, G at OT, G at C. I imagine a C at OT would be slightly higher since that's two hops over.

offensive lineman player at blocking tight end.
The "blocking" part doesn't matter, because Archetype doesn't make a difference for OOP. An OT at TE isn't too bad since it's just one hop over, but I imagine a G or C at TE would be a little higher.

Defensive lineman playing defensive end and defensive tackle.
Again, shouldn't be too bad since DE and DT are right next to each other.

Also what about corners and safeties playing out of position in the secondary.
An SS playing FS or an FS playing SS shouldn't be too bad. Playing a SS or FS at CB or a CB at SS or FS might be slightly worse. Wouldn't recommend it though, since a slight penalty can be all an opposing WR needs to wreck your whole day.

What about tight end and special teams player be used as a blocking fullback.
Again, Archetype has no effect at all on the OOP. A ST-TE, blocking-TE, possession-TE, and speedster-TE will all have the exact same OOP when playing at FB, whether the "FB" is called upon to run-block, carry the ball, or run a pass route on the play. TE at FB isn't too bad though.

Finally what about a blocking fullback used as a blocking tight end?
Again, Archetype doesn't play a role here. No matter what Archetype your FB is or whether the play calls for the TE to pass-block, run-block, or run a route as a receiver, any Archetype FB will have the same OOP when asked to play TE. Again, TE at FB isn't too bad.

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Having said all of that, however... you're almost always going to be better off just recruiting and playing a dot at their natural position. If your options for CB are an incredibly well-built SS who would start on most WL teams versus a horribly-built CB who is 20 levels behind on Effective Level, I'd probably take the SS and play him OOP at CB, but that's not exactly a likely or common scenario.

There's only two situations in which I play dots out of position: playing a non-QB dot at QB just to fuck with the other team's defensive tagging on a running play, or playing an OT at TE on Goalline plays simply because I only have 2 TEs on my roster and Goalline-formation includes 3 TEs. The rest of the time, I play dots at their natural positions.
 
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when the big I formations came out i played our rFB at one of the TE positions as I didnt have two receiving tes. He did pretty well and made it tricky for some people to cover if they didnt recognize he was playing there. I didnt notice much of an oop to be honest
 
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You can get a sense of the OOP by looking at the depth chart. The "Available Roster" will first list the players at that position, then the players at other positions with the smallest out of position penalties, then the remaining positions in alphabetical order. I've found that information to be accurate, as using a FB at TE is somewhat acceptable whereas a TE at FB is brutal.
 
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I agree with the depth chart approach. Originally posted by jdbolick
...I've found that information to be accurate, as using a FB at TE is somewhat acceptable whereas a TE at FB is brutal.


As an example on defense, SS is next in the depth chart for LB positions, and FS is next on the depth chart for the CB slot.


I do sometimes wonder how much difference it makes for the special teams slots, same as offense and defense? Multiple of those do have specified positions to them. But I know most STOP builders make O-linemen to save on flex.
 
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Kicker, punter, and maybe long snapper are the only places on the special teams depth chart where a player's position matters at all.
 
Theo Wizzago
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Kicker, punter, and maybe long snapper are the only places on the special teams depth chart where a player's position matters at all.


Yeah. And I'd doubt that even playing a non-position specific dot as Long Snapper has any penalty. I sure haven't seen anything glaring by using DT's, LB's, and whatever else at Long Snapper.
And, I'd even go farther to say that, for whatever reason, the "top choices" given on ST depth charts are seldom the correct ones. I mean... putting a O-Lineman in to try and stop punt returns? Um... nah. Not smart (unless it's a STOP O-lineman).
 
Team Nucleus
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Due to the Depth Chart bug that is still being ignored...expect to be penalized for out of position players
 
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Originally posted by Team Nucleus
Due to the Depth Chart bug that is still being ignored...expect to be penalized for out of position players



Thanks for the drop-in that had not a thing in the world to do with the OP's question.
 
InRomoWeTrust
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Yeah. And I'd doubt that even playing a non-position specific dot as Long Snapper has any penalty. I sure haven't seen anything glaring by using DT's, LB's, and whatever else at Long Snapper.
And, I'd even go farther to say that, for whatever reason, the "top choices" given on ST depth charts are seldom the correct ones. I mean... putting a O-Lineman in to try and stop punt returns? Um... nah. Not smart (unless it's a STOP O-lineman).


A while back we were told that the LS position wasn't penalized by an OOP, but by throwing some 160+ speed dots at LS the GLB community was able to prove that untrue. This was all months and months back.
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader

Thanks for the drop-in that had not a thing in the world to do with the OP's question.


When the depth chart is fouled up players play out of position....just ask our WR's that were replaced by CB's on offense
 


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