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My first effort and it is taking forever, yet I am intrigued by the possibilies down the line.

Phat Tire (Lv. 49 HB)
Ht/Wt: 5'11", 260lbs

Experience, Skill Points, and Cash
Money: $0
Daily Salary: $2500
Skill Points: 6
Training Points: 2
Bonus Tokens: 4
Veteran Points: 0
Next Level: 25/1000

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 92.8
Speed: 82.96 (+32)
Agility: 80.8
Jumping: 16.96
Stamina: 18.96
Vision: 33.96
Confidence: 60.8

Football Skills
Blocking: 10
Catching: 26
Tackling: 8
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 82.8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Elusive Back Abilities
Quick Cut: 0
Head Fake: 0
First Step: 0
Juke: 0
Spin: 0

Power Back Abilities
Cover Up: 1
Lower the Shoulder: 1
Stiff Arm: 1
Power Through: 4
Dive for Yardage: 1

Additional Abilities
Surge: 0
Veteran Abilities
Bruiser: 10
Second Wind: 15

Current Bonuses/Penalties
Not fumble chance: +3%

Training spd/vision/catching/ and just starting stamina at the moment. I'm ready to throw points into speed and address his plodding ass but only if his carrying is high enough.

My equ currently is PT +3 speed and LTS +3 speed although I'm only running PT due to bonus token issues and even that one needs more upgrades. I used my first custom upgrade for +3% not fumble and likely will go that direction for my final pieces of equ.

Curious of the thoughts of others about the direction and the overall build in general.

Thanks in advance.

I think carrying should be in the 90's for a powerback. Or close to 90. I hope your planning on getting stamina to 60+ (or at least close to 60).

Ok with one more point Carrying he should wind up at 90 end build. Think I can live with that. As far as stamina goes if I could wind back the clock I would have started training it before catching but it's too late now. Like I said it is my first HB effort and while I think the build is fairly solid so far I have made some mistakes. Every time I think I have this building thing down I realize no...I really don't.

I find it's difficult to be patient regarding speed.

Either way thanks for the response, appreciate the input.

I had the same question and was glad to see your thread. I have a level 28 with carrying at 77.66.

Remember you have 4 majors (which I hate about the archetype), so not a whole lot of help from level ups at this stage. If your goal is 90 at lvl 72, he's gotta be at 85.36 before hitting level 50. If you don't invest anything at all, he'll hit 87.65 at level 72. You're team is a good one in a shit league, so I wouldn't make any conclusions based on his numbers this season (most break tackles and 4.9 YPC).

And, hell yes, it is difficult to be patient regarding speed.

So the question remains... How much is enough at level 72? Assume cover-up has 10 points.

Also, I'm building my player for the single purpose of running up the middle tackle breaker good for 3.5 YPC and 20 touches per game in the big leagues. For agility and vision, was planning to get both to around 50 (through training only) then stop investing in them. So following carrying (again, I'm not sure what the end goal should be) was planning to put it all into speed, then stamina, then SA's. Make sense? Here's his current build:


(Lv. 28 HB)
Ht/Wt: 5'11", 260lbs

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 108.66 (+22)
Speed: 29.33
Agility: 31.66
Jumping: 14.33
Stamina: 23.33
Vision: 21.33
Confidence: 22.66

Football Skills
Carrying: 77.66

Power Back Abilities
Cover Up: 1
Lower the Shoulder: 1
Stiff Arm: 1
Power Through: 1
Dive for Yardage: 1

Veteran Abilities
Bruiser: 3

Originally posted by Agnlaw
I had the same question and was glad to see your thread. I have a level 28 with carrying at 77.66.

Remember you have 4 majors (which I hate about the archetype), so not a whole lot of help from level ups at this stage. If your goal is 90 at lvl 72, he's gotta be at 85.36 before hitting level 50. If you don't invest anything at all, he'll hit 87.65 at level 72. You're team is a good one in a shit league, so I wouldn't make any conclusions based on his numbers this season (most break tackles and 4.9 YPC).

And, hell yes, it is difficult to be patient regarding speed.

So the question remains... How much is enough at level 72? Assume cover-up has 10 points.

Also, I'm building my player for the single purpose of running up the middle tackle breaker good for 3.5 YPC and 20 touches per game in the big leagues. For agility and vision, was planning to get both to around 50 (through training only) then stop investing in them. So following carrying (again, I'm not sure what the end goal should be) was planning to put it all into speed, then stamina, then SA's. Make sense? Here's his current build:


(Lv. 28 HB)
Ht/Wt: 5'11", 260lbs

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 108.66 (+22)
Speed: 29.33
Agility: 31.66
Jumping: 14.33
Stamina: 23.33
Vision: 21.33
Confidence: 22.66

Football Skills
Carrying: 77.66

Power Back Abilities
Cover Up: 1
Lower the Shoulder: 1
Stiff Arm: 1
Power Through: 1
Dive for Yardage: 1

Veteran Abilities
Bruiser: 3


You need agility higher then you stated. Agility is a key roll with break tackle roll. So if you want to break the most tackles possible, get agility up. I understand what you are trying to do. It won't work that well.

Hmm interesting points.

When I was discussing end build numbers I was referring to level 79. At that point my guys carrying would be in the low 90's range. I'm not sure of the significance of level 72, is that when you enter the WL?

Unless I'm doing something wrong and I don't think I am my guys end raw end build for the majors will be.

STR 99
AGI 87
CAR 90
CON 67

I suppose I could go higher in carrying but 90 seems pretty good to me combined with good confidence and I am just DYING to go all in for speed.

Like I said above not only is it my first powerback it's my first RB at all. Not going pure strength but a bit more well rounded. Guess time will tell if I was wrong.

Again thanks to all for the imput and all thoughts/criticism are welcome.

Oh yeah and one other thing. Looking ahead I see jumping is listed as a minor which kind of makes sense. The thing is that i can't help but notice it is not listed as one of the recommended training upgrades which makes me wonder just how valuable it really is.

thoughts?

The level 72 ref was a brain fart (somehow got it in my head that 72 was the top rather then 79... Its significant only because it is the last eq so maybe thats how i got my wires crossed). Its my 2nd attempt to make a powerback. 1st attempt was made in season 2 or thereabouts and dont recall why i dumped the player.

On the comments about agility.. You're probably right but I'm really curious about what will happen if I go really hard core for the single purpose of building an up the middle 90% power rushing style short yardage back with high stamina, strength, carrying and speed ; and all the bells and whistles (AEQ, SA's, VA's) maxed for that single purpose.

Originally posted by Drizzy
You need agility higher then you stated. Agility is a key roll with break tackle roll. So if you want to break the most tackles possible, get agility up. I understand what you are trying to do. It won't work that well.

Have you tried it? If so, I may rethink the strategy. If not, I suppose I'll be the guinea pig.

Originally posted by Agnlaw
Have you tried it? If so, I may rethink the strategy. If not, I suppose I'll be the guinea pig.

To ahead and try it. I'm just saying that you would break more tackles with more agility. My power back had high str/carry... And was fumble prone. I scrapped him after a fumble prone season. Broke tackles like a champ though. Your back may be more of a red zone rush threat build, maybe.

Originally posted by Drizzy
To ahead and try it. I'm just saying that you would break more tackles with more agility. My power back had high str/carry... And was fumble prone. I scrapped him after a fumble prone season. Broke tackles like a champ though. Your back may be more of a red zone rush threat build, maybe.

That "..high str/carry...fumble prone" gives me some serious pause. How high at what level? Can you post the build? Sounds like you may have already been down this path. Now I'm leaning the other way, but still not sure.

"...more of a red zone threat..." Could be true. Not necessarily a bad thing. With some creative depth-charting and AI work, I'm really beginning to see potential with a strategy incorporating a few super specialized players surrounded by a bunch of jacks.

Thx!

Originally posted by Agnlaw
That "..high str/carry...fumble prone" gives me some serious pause. How high at what level? Can you post the build? Sounds like you may have already been down this path. Now I'm leaning the other way, but still not sure.

"...more of a red zone threat..." Could be true. Not necessarily a bad thing. With some creative depth-charting and AI work, I'm really beginning to see potential with a strategy incorporating a few super specialized players surrounded by a bunch of jacks.

Thx!

He had 90+ str and 86 carry. Only had 2 into cover up. It drove me nuts. And I had to retire him at like 50. My 1 dot that had me doing jackiechan.jpg

Thx. Doing the math on my player (now at levl 31), it looks like you must have been really single focused on strengh/carrying to get it that high at level 50.

As of today, my level 31 PB has natural numbers of Strength 87.6; Carrying 79.6. With no more investment, ALG's take him:

At level 50, Strength 92.03; Carrying 84.03. (so strengh in line with yours but shy on carrying)

At level 79, Strength 98.15; Carrying 90.15.

Sitting on 10 SP's at the moment trying to make a decision. Main question now is whether having 10 points in Cover Up at level 79 would suffice.

He was 55. My bad. But you get the point. Before I scrapped him I was going to work on agility. Made him for a pure up the gut and RZ like you. Just never fallowed through. Good luck bro, I may retry my luck again.

Funny, looking at the FA level 79 PB's, doesn't seem many stay the course. Obvious that they were all about strength at the beginning and got tired of waiting on speed (all their eq is 100% dedicated to speed). More likely, they got sick of the other HB getting all of the glory.