Anyone know the % chance of a training breakthrough and the % bonus it gives you on your training? Is the bonus constant or also variable?
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awsalick
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Originally posted by whodey08
Variable bonus with variable chances of getting the break thru.
Do you know the general % chance and the range the bonus goes between? 10-100% bonus? 25-75?
Variable bonus with variable chances of getting the break thru.
Do you know the general % chance and the range the bonus goes between? 10-100% bonus? 25-75?
lucifer_pdx
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I've noticed that training breakthroughs seem to be about 1 in 10 trains, with the bonus being about a 50% bonus to the training. With those approximations I'm getting a training breakthrough about once every 2.5 quad trains. However, I haven't gotten a double breakthrough on a quad train yet. The chance of a double breakthrough on a quad train should be about 5%, or 1 in 20 quad trains. The fact that I haven't seen it yet suggests that I've either been unlucky or that programming is in place to make a double breakthrough impossible.
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I thought that a breakthrough on multi training gives a bonus to all the attributes in that multi train.
ninja turtles
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Originally posted by lexden11
I thought that a breakthrough on multi training gives a bonus to all the attributes in that multi train.
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I thought that a breakthrough on multi training gives a bonus to all the attributes in that multi train.
no
lucifer_pdx
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Originally posted by lexden11
I thought that a breakthrough on multi training gives a bonus to all the attributes in that multi train.
I wish!
No, it only give a bonus to the one attribute.
I thought that a breakthrough on multi training gives a bonus to all the attributes in that multi train.
I wish!
No, it only give a bonus to the one attribute.
alindyl
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Originally posted by lucifer_pdx
I wish!
No, it only give a bonus to the one attribute.
Umm well sort of true. A breakthrough on a multi train means that at least 1 had a bonus, however it is possible (though increasingly unlikely) to have more than 1 get a breakthrough. Consider the rate at which you see a breakthrough on a non multi train, and then try to apply that to 4 attempts.
The question here wasn't specifically about this but the answer pretty much shows that each attribute trained (in a multi train) is given it's own chance to "breakthrough"
Bort
February 11, 2011
Question: Training breakthroughs: Premise: I believe that multi training penalizes your chance of a breakthrough. Am I correct? See logic below. 1) Is the probability of a break through - call it P(B) - the same for daily vs. multi training? IOW, if my P(B) is 10%, I will get 4 break throughs if I train normal all season(10% * 40). How many will I get out of my 10 multi trains (if 4 way train)? 1? (=10% * 10) 2) If the answer to 1) is yes (that I will get 1 multi break through/season if P(B) = 10%), how does that break through work? In my experience, it appears only 1 of the 4 attributes gets the break thru, not all 4. Is this correct? 3) If 1 and 2 are correct, doesn't this imply 1/4 the breakthrough gains on multi training as daily training (intense, light, or normal)? Is this intended as a reward to daily training or is this an unintended oversight? Or is P(B) > on multi than daily, so that I will get more break throughs to offset the fewer trains over a season? Bottom line: You see what I'm getting at? If P(B) is constant and only rewards 1 of the 4 skills in the multi, than multi gets you 1/4 less breakthroughs over a season (and thus career)which seems unfair. To correct it, imo, either all 4 attributes should get the break through or P(B) should be 4X for multi so that you still get 4 break throughs/season either way (assuming P(B)=10%).
Answer: breakthroughs happen on each attribute's training. Multi training just processes a bunch of single trainings in a row, with the same chance for breakthroughs on each. So the chance for a breakthrough on any one attribute is always the same.
I wish!
No, it only give a bonus to the one attribute.
Umm well sort of true. A breakthrough on a multi train means that at least 1 had a bonus, however it is possible (though increasingly unlikely) to have more than 1 get a breakthrough. Consider the rate at which you see a breakthrough on a non multi train, and then try to apply that to 4 attempts.
The question here wasn't specifically about this but the answer pretty much shows that each attribute trained (in a multi train) is given it's own chance to "breakthrough"
Bort
February 11, 2011
Question: Training breakthroughs: Premise: I believe that multi training penalizes your chance of a breakthrough. Am I correct? See logic below. 1) Is the probability of a break through - call it P(B) - the same for daily vs. multi training? IOW, if my P(B) is 10%, I will get 4 break throughs if I train normal all season(10% * 40). How many will I get out of my 10 multi trains (if 4 way train)? 1? (=10% * 10) 2) If the answer to 1) is yes (that I will get 1 multi break through/season if P(B) = 10%), how does that break through work? In my experience, it appears only 1 of the 4 attributes gets the break thru, not all 4. Is this correct? 3) If 1 and 2 are correct, doesn't this imply 1/4 the breakthrough gains on multi training as daily training (intense, light, or normal)? Is this intended as a reward to daily training or is this an unintended oversight? Or is P(B) > on multi than daily, so that I will get more break throughs to offset the fewer trains over a season? Bottom line: You see what I'm getting at? If P(B) is constant and only rewards 1 of the 4 skills in the multi, than multi gets you 1/4 less breakthroughs over a season (and thus career)which seems unfair. To correct it, imo, either all 4 attributes should get the break through or P(B) should be 4X for multi so that you still get 4 break throughs/season either way (assuming P(B)=10%).
Answer: breakthroughs happen on each attribute's training. Multi training just processes a bunch of single trainings in a row, with the same chance for breakthroughs on each. So the chance for a breakthrough on any one attribute is always the same.
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# of BT's % Chance of happening
0 53.27% 0.5326791124
1 34.45% 0.3444612025
2 10.21% 0.1020931027
3 1.83% 0.0183387001
4 0.22% 0.0022235375
5 0.02% 0.0001917158
6 0.00% 0.0000120531
7 0.00% 0.0000005567
8 0.00% 0.0000000188
9 0.00% 0.0000000004
That is out of your day 48 attempts. BT= breakthroughs not Bonus tonkens.
This is a sample of about 3000 rolls.
I don't have any math to suggest what the % is, but i know it seems to vary. I would guess between 33 and 55 percent.
0 53.27% 0.5326791124
1 34.45% 0.3444612025
2 10.21% 0.1020931027
3 1.83% 0.0183387001
4 0.22% 0.0022235375
5 0.02% 0.0001917158
6 0.00% 0.0000120531
7 0.00% 0.0000005567
8 0.00% 0.0000000188
9 0.00% 0.0000000004
That is out of your day 48 attempts. BT= breakthroughs not Bonus tonkens.
This is a sample of about 3000 rolls.
I don't have any math to suggest what the % is, but i know it seems to vary. I would guess between 33 and 55 percent.
Edited by Shrazkil on Feb 13, 2012 15:50:56
Edited by Shrazkil on Feb 13, 2012 15:48:53
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